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Anthonyjs02

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Purchasing first ball/tips
« on: December 28, 2014, 08:31:45 PM »
Hello all first post just joined!

I am looking to step up/change my bowling game...I think I want to change at least.

For the last ten plus years have been just bowling for fun. For awhile bowled once week then stopped. But now getting back in and bowling once twice week with my dad.  I have a firm grasp on the game and say my average is about in the 180 range. Over last 12 games have thrown 4 200+ games high as 216. I have always just used house ball. I use a 14 for first throw and then a 12lb for my spare pick ups. I feel like I have a unconventional style/walk up to the line. I currently use only two finger style bowling to get the big hooks. But I also use the same style for spares and am able to vary the degree and style of hook depending on shot. But I would like to switch to a traditional approach and throw. But that will take some practice On my part. I do have few pro shops at a couple bowling centers near me but without having ever purchased ball and not normal bowling style not sure if they can help.

I'm looking for a ball that I can use to try to change style but also a ball if I get to frustrated I can switch back to two finger. Not sure what oil coverage but I just bowl normal play at my center. Looking for a 15lb ball. And I don't know how to get drilled since no setup from before. Please let me know if I left out any important details.

Thanks for reading my long winded background and look forward to everyone's help.

 

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Re: Purchasing first ball/tips
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2014, 10:17:51 PM »
Where are you located?

The most important thing for you right now, before being recommended a particular ball, is to be hooked up with a good pro shop in your area. People on this message board should be able to suggest a good pro shop based on your location.

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Re: Purchasing first ball/tips
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2014, 11:03:21 PM »
Where are you located?

The most important thing for you right now, before being recommended a particular ball, is to be hooked up with a good pro shop in your area. People on this message board should be able to suggest a good pro shop based on your location.

+1. You could also talk to some of the better bowlers in your center to suggest a shop for you.

A good shop will take the time to watch your style before making any sales pitches.

Another thing to mention, the ball with the most hook potential, may not the best. The high end balls are more taylored to sport/tourney conditions.

If a shop suggests a premium ball, without even asking to see you throw a couple shots, you may want to try a different place. At minimum, they should ask to see the ball you are currently using.

Good luck and welcome to the forum!

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Re: Purchasing first ball/tips
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2014, 06:27:30 AM »
I also agree on locating a reputable pro shop. He will -- or should -- watch you bowl and then at that point advise on a good benchmark type of ball to start with. I believe a 15lb will be the weight you will want to get as well. Then practice, and be patient. Dont forget -- have fun as well. Good luck. We are all here to help and learn as well!
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Re: Purchasing first ball/tips
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2014, 06:37:18 AM »
Thanks all!

I am located in Maryland. When I have time was going to checks this pro shop out unless someone has better option. http://strikehouseproshop.com

Even though I bowl as a two finger bowler he will be able to give recommendations? Since I currently can't bowl a three finger ball to save my life right now lol. Can't get used to it using house ball just feels weird. I have been reading up a bit have been always going back to reading about RotoGrip balls.

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Re: Purchasing first ball/tips
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2014, 08:13:53 AM »
Can't say one way or another about that shop, maybe someone else can. Without knowing what direction you are in, I would recommend ShotMakers Pro Shop inside AMF Country Club lanes.  Good people and knowledgeable. http://www.shotmakersproshop.com/aboutus.php

Yes they should be able to help by looking at you throw. There are other thumbless bowlers out there; including pros. Find a place that will take the time to watch you and work with you and you will be set in the right direction.
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Re: Purchasing first ball/tips
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2014, 08:25:31 AM »
after throwing a properly fitted ball i think you will find it will be much easier throw because you wont have to grab it to hold on to it. in any case, going back to two fingers should be as easy as putting just your fingers in the ball. depending on the conditions at your center, which your pro shop should be familiar with, i would suggest one of the HP1 or HP2 balls if you want to go with rotogrip

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Re: Purchasing first ball/tips
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2014, 08:46:02 AM »
after throwing a properly fitted ball i think you will find it will be much easier throw because you wont have to grab it to hold on to it. in any case, going back to two fingers should be as easy as putting just your fingers in the ball. depending on the conditions at your center, which your pro shop should be familiar with, i would suggest one of the HP1 or HP2 balls if you want to go with rotogrip

Just curious why one of the lower ones? Are they more forgiving? What determines the oil coverage on lanes? If I bowl just open bowling is a THS pattern medium? Or does it vary?

Completely off topic but since new to site do you always have the captcha and question to answer after every post.

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Re: Purchasing first ball/tips
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2014, 10:27:40 AM »
The recommendation on the lower performance equipment is that you will be able to use them more effectively, and more often than a high end piece. A high end premium ball is tailored more toward Sport Shots, and Tournament patterns. A premium ball usually needs a large amount of oil to perform like it is intended. If you get a ball too strong, it could lose energy and not perform well at all. in other words, you could spend $250 on a top shelf ball, that will not perform on what you bowl on, but a $175 ball is a better option.

Oil coverage on the lanes are determined by the oiling machine set-up. There are tons of other variances that could be listed as well.

My opinion, all manufacturers have great entry level pieces. I am a non-staffer working outside the industry and have used many different brands, but what will work for me, a high speed stroker, may not work for your two handed higher rev style. I am a "straighter is greater" mentality.


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Re: Purchasing first ball/tips
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2014, 10:35:28 AM »
oil volume is subjective. heavy oil to one may be medium oil to another who bowls in an area where they put down more oil. to get a more accurate read on what you are seeing people post more about there game like speed, revrate, axis tilt and what balls they have with layout and what kind of reaction they are seeing. since as someone new to personal bowling specs. and dont have these, what are you seeing with the house ball? is there a speedometer on the monitor? do you find yourself going fairly straight up around 2nd arrow or more hooking the ball more at 3-4th arrow and throwing it out?

i suggest a lower performance ball in your case because being two finger you are most likely rev dominant meaning the weaker ball will likely hook as much as a stronger ball for a three finger bowler and will be more controllable. if you really want to learn to bowl three fingered, again, the weaker ball will be more controllable when learning to hook the ball more traditionally. its like the teenager learning to drive; you dont put him in a corvette to start. you get him a corolla or something to get the feel of driving and strengthen his skills. plus if it doubles as your spare ball, you will have an easier time with a ball that doesnt hook as much. weaker balls are also cheaper when learning to bowl because they dont lose performance as fast and dont require as much maintenance.

i dont understand the last part of your post but if youre referring to me personally, id like to think i have above average knowledge on bowling and have an interest in the science involved so i am always learning. obviously a reputable proshop operator will have more knowledge on drilling and fitting. but i have been bowling all my life, bowled competitively on house and sport patterns at the youth and collegiate level and am now getting into adult tournament bowling so i would say experience with laneplay and ball choice is on my side.

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Re: Purchasing first ball/tips
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2014, 10:48:42 AM »
Everyone makes this way harder than it needs to be.  This person is a beginner.  At their skill level they will not see or understand the differences in a bowling ball besides overall hook potential.  What needs to be discussed with the pro shop you go to is how much you'd like to see the ball hook.  Tell them a price range you are comfortable spending.  Let them watch you throw a couple shots and go from there.  If they recommend spending over $150 for your first ball they are trying to take advantage of you, go somewhere else.   

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Re: Purchasing first ball/tips
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2014, 08:50:15 PM »
Thanks for input which is the best ball out of rotogrips hp2 line?

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Re: Purchasing first ball/tips
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2014, 07:19:52 AM »
Thanks for input which is the best ball out of rotogrips hp2 line?
Again this depends what you are looking for. I might suggest a ball that I think is great, but it may not work for you. So again, your pro shop should be the one to suggest the correct ball that fits your style and what you need to work properly. Rotos HP2 line has 4 balls in the current line up. The Wrecker has been a very popular ball which has a hybrid cover.This balls reaction can be defined a a go long and flip hard motion, so you may not want that. The OutCry will have a more smoother, or controlled move. But again these balls may not work for you. I would discuss this with your proshop to make sure that the ball you choose will match up with what you need, not by what is IMO the best one in that line. So be patient and do your research. He may suggest a HP3 ball? Again it depends on what you need for your style and lane conditions.
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Re: Purchasing first ball/tips
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2014, 07:57:12 AM »
Thanks for input which is the best ball out of rotogrips hp2 line?
Again this depends what you are looking for. I might suggest a ball that I think is great, but it may not work for you. So again, your pro shop should be the one to suggest the correct ball that fits your style and what you need to work properly. Rotos HP2 line has 4 balls in the current line up. The Wrecker has been a very popular ball which has a hybrid cover.This balls reaction can be defined a a go long and flip hard motion, so you may not want that. The OutCry will have a more smoother, or controlled move. But again these balls may not work for you. I would discuss this with your proshop to make sure that the ball you choose will match up with what you need, not by what is IMO the best one in that line. So be patient and do your research. He may suggest a HP3 ball? Again it depends on what you need for your style and lane conditions.

Sounds like plan! Going to visit the one that was recommended couple posts up tonight.

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Re: Purchasing first ball/tips
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2015, 04:43:30 PM »
So was able to visit the pro shop at Columbia, Maryland. Ended up going with Roto Uproar. Since this was first purchase, and they had leagues going so no lanes were open. I told him how I bowl and how I was looking to eventually switch to a three finger ball with fingertip holes. He measured my finger and thumb size and grip. So purchased ball and went to where normally bowled.

Starters I've never thrown a fingertip and haven't bowled with three fingers so I attempted and no luck so need more practice there. But for some reason either I'm not holding correct or just not used to it. But the grip is just not comfortable. Almost seems not useable when trying bowl. So i ended up switching back to two finger, but I'm guessing being used to house ball and the way there drilled where you can put whole finger in I tore my fingers up trying to bowl my normal two finger way. My second knuckle down on both fingers are bruised and swollen. Any recommendations?

Is it just not really possible to continue two finger bowling with fingertip grip? I have to end up cradling it a lot more cause less finger support guess.