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Ragnar

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Push with your palm?
« on: January 07, 2005, 01:29:22 AM »
Whilst bsing (can I say that?) with my driller the other day we were talking about guys who finish with their hand completely open, fingers extended.  A few that I've seen generate (somehow) tremendous revs but end in this position.  I was trying to figure out a way to translate this into something I can do and I think I may have it.  Tried this one time during league (would have tried more, but I was working on a BUNCH of things) and it felt right.  

At release I "pushed" forward with my palm.  The ball seemed to roll down my fingers and hit like the proverbial train (ball in question, if it matters, was a Silver Streak Particle).  Is this the key to the open handed release?  If so, why didn't someone tell me before now?
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Re: Push with your palm?
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2005, 09:47:39 AM »
Rags,

This is how I release the ball and every year develop a very thick callous on my palm just below my index finger.  This is what allows me to produce a high rev rate with control.
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Re: Push with your palm?
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2005, 09:56:23 AM »
Something to try in practice.  I've always thought about keeping the wrist firm and feeling my fingers come out of the ball.

The palm-sensitive method might be worth a look-see.
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Re: Push with your palm?
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2005, 09:59:50 AM »
Yeah, a friend of mine (very good bowler) is trying to get me to do the same. Have been working at it with varying degrees of success. You need to keep a pretty flat wrist for it to work properly, but you can get some revs on the ball when done right.
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Re: Push with your palm?
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2005, 10:13:37 AM »
I've tried this and was not successful. I don't know if I wasn't doing it right or if it is because due to the construction of my hand thet the only part of my palm that touches the ball is a tiny spot below the index finger. I've tried stretched spans, relaxed spans, forward finger pitches, reverse finger pitches, and etc, and that is still all the palm I can get to touch the ball. I've noticed that others palms touch the ball like mine, some have more palm touching, and one person I used to bowl with has almost his whole palm touching. He and I have almost identical spans, yet when I throw his ball I still have almost no palm touching. Am I right to assume this is due to hand construction and that maybe some people can palm the ball and some can't?
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Ragnar

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Re: Push with your palm?
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2005, 10:32:22 AM »
Brick, it's not so much that the ball actually rolls off the palm, or even makes contact with all of it.  It's just the notion that, starting at the heel of the palm, the palm "pushes" forward at release.
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Re: Push with your palm?
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2005, 11:07:13 AM »
It works well for me.  A nice added benefit is that it absolutely prevents me from hitting up on the ball, one of my weaknesses in the past.  Ignore the rev-rate in my profile, that was before I started improving my release.

Glad to hear people are willing to try something new in practice!

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Re: Push with your palm?
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2005, 11:10:39 AM »
Rags, can you give me an idea where this push begins? For example before ball gets to thigh, ankle, etc or beside thes things or on the follow thru. Maybe I am trying to push at wrong spot.

Gotta go bowl and also get my new Impluse Zone. Will look at reply this eve. Thanks
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Ragnar

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Re: Push with your palm?
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2005, 11:13:44 AM »
Brick, it seems to me that the push comes at the flat spot at the bottom of the swing, or just barely before that.  Maybe just as your thumb starts to exit the hole.
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Re: Push with your palm?
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2005, 12:18:27 PM »
Rags, how would you describe your wrist position during your swing and release when you are using your new technique?  It sounds like the wrist is bent back at the point of release, is it?  I also remember reading some article in BTM that briefly mentioned a similar sounding technique where the wrist is cupped during the swing, but at the moment of release the wrist flattens out (or bends back?) to drive the ball forward, resulting in a very powerful and high revving shot.  I'm curious as to how you and others are doing it.
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Ragnar

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Re: Push with your palm?
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2005, 12:20:22 PM »
Well I'm a long way from knowing what I talking about here, but my wrist is flat thru the swing and sort of rolls forward (at the wrist joint) as I release, so, yeah, the fingers look dropped back.  I'd imagine that cupping would only enhance/exaggerate the whole deal.
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Re: Push with your palm?
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2005, 12:39:21 PM »
That exactly the way I throw the ball. I don't throw with a lot of turn unless the lanes are dry. Picture it like throwing a yo-yo. The more you cup it the more it spins. The purpose for the open hand is to come out of the ball clean (get my thumb out). I come up the back of the ball and it creats a heavy roll. Good for tackling oily lanes. The more you say in the back of the ball the better it works. I guess a combination of that and a little axis tilt would be the perfect release.
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Re: Push with your palm?
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2005, 12:49:15 PM »
Thats basically my release I think. This is the only way I can rev the ball because I cant cup my wrist. Screwed it up somehow, really have no idea how though. Even after not bowling for close to a month it still hurts to cup my wrist. (i practice throwing the ball onto my bed with pillows against the wall) I also realized that I dont hit up with the cusion of my finger, I tend to use the right side of my fingers more. (if your looking at your hand the the palm facing towards you that is)
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Re: Push with your palm?
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2005, 03:58:51 PM »
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Brick, it seems to me that the push comes at the flat spot at the bottom of the swing, or just barely before that.  Maybe just as your thumb starts to exit the hole.


Just before.  It almost feels as if the push is what initiates the thumb exit.
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Re: Push with your palm?
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2005, 06:10:41 PM »
Thanks for the tips/knowledge everyone. This helps. I'll try it next practice session.
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