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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: SVstar34 on October 07, 2013, 07:13:14 PM
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Since I started bowling leagues again this year(1st time since 2009) I've been having a little problem during the 2nd/3rd games and can't seem to string anything together.
I normally take with me to league my 900G Bounty @ 2000 abralon, probably closer to 4000 now with the games I've put on it since the surface change, Brunswick Twisted Fury (pearl) @ 1000+polish, and my Hammer Blue Vibe @ 4000+polish. Also have a Crossroad that i'll usually take with me @ 4000 abralon.
I'll start with my Bounty and chase inside, and then I'll get to a point where the Bounty just doesn't have enough recovery to make it back after the breakdown of oil. I'll ball down to the Twisted Fury which has always allowed me to play closer to the friction, but on the conditions it doesn't get enough kick on the back.(leaving flat 10s quite a bit, as for some reason oil starts to carrydown during the middle of the 2nd game.) The Crossroad I have gives me an identical reaction to the Twisted Fury, as at the time when I had the Crossroad drilled, I did not like the TF reaction.
After all this text, if you're still reading...(hopefully) Would it be beneficial for me to add a light coat of polish to my Bounty? or Should I invest in a stronger pearl ball? (i.e Byte, Nano Pearl, Reax Pearl...etc)
Layouts:
Bounty: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4h4iae&s=5#.UlNLmhAnFs8
TF: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2d1juo5&s=5#.UlNRvhAnFs8
Crossroad: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=dph27t&s=5#.UlNR0xAnFs8
Thanks
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Try adjusting surface on the twisted fury to 500 sanded plus a light touch of polish. Should be an in expensive idea to try.
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wouldn't that reduce my backend reaction kidlost? I already have it at 1000 + polish
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The hope is to get it hooking sooner and continue down lane. If there is oil down lane you do not want more length. Otherwise you'd go 4000 and polish. This would likly skid for days before hitting pins.
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I couldn't chase the transition left with my Bounty either. Awesome on the fresh, but come a move left, dime dime dime. If you were going to go 900 again, I would go with a Protocol or Black eagle pearl. The more I hear about the Protocol, the more it sounds awesome.
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The TF already hooks pretty soon, I haven't been able to get enough angle with it to carry the 10. When the backends are flying, its a great ball and also on tournament/sport patterns when I need to stay right. That's where my contemplation on adding a light coat of polish to my Bounty comes in. What about taking the TF to 2000 no polish? Since the Crossroad gives me a similar reaction right now
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The tf and cr are drilled to be smooth down lane. That plus oil down lane doesn't do you much good. Try 1000 sanded no polish if you don't want to try the 500 polish. If you really want to shine the bounty then shine it. It may not be as good on your first game in a half when your currently using it.
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Should i just look to invest in a slightly stronger pearl or hybrid then?
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No unless you can't get the others to work. Surface and layout will be the bigger factor over solid peral or hybrid. If you want to spend the money for a new ball that works too.
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Without knowing your style or any of your stats I would say you're on the right track looking for a pearl, but I'm not sure it has to necessarily be one of the strong ones you mention. Even a medium oil pearl with the right drill will do what you need it to do.
Consider something like the Motiv Tribal. Put a pin up drill on it and you've got yourself backend. Seems like it's not necessarily carry down but like the heads are burning up a little bit. So the balls aren't getting to the backend with any energy left, the Bounty because of the strength of the drill and the surface, the other two because of the drill. If it were me, I would go with a medium pearl with a not too strong (think 4.5 or longer to pap) a drill. Hope this helps good luck man keep us posted.
Matt
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I haven't been able to get video lately after my game has changed some. If I were to compare myself to someone, it would be Scott Podosek who does the videos on YouTube for Competitive Edge Bowling except I have more side roll.
My preference for a new ball would be the Reax Pearl as I want to give Radical a try, however, if I found something like a Nuts Pearl, Marvel Pearl, or a Taboo Pearl (B/S or Purple) for cheap I dont think I'd be able to pass that up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Yg7tK9SsLI&list=UUUdapKcbpNzp3PGwdo7P6GQ
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Bump
Something came to mind today. Could I possibly add an X-hole to my Crossroad that would allow to have a stronger move on the back as a different option? X-holes are a spot i'm not too familiar with, outside of just some basic knowledge.
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Bump
Something came to mind today. Could I possibly add an X-hole to my Crossroad that would allow to have a stronger move on the back as a different option? X-holes are a spot i'm not too familiar with, outside of just some basic knowledge.
I thought the issue was carry down?
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On Wednesday mens league I have trouble carrying the 10 as I move farther inside with my bounty, however if I ball down both my Crossroad and TF just don't have quite enough reaction downlane.
On Sundays, 4 person mixed I've been experiencing carrydown middle/end of game 2 in the track area to where I'm more pointing the ball towards the pocket and going flat 10 or just come up short of pocket. I even took my heavy oil ball a Rogue Cell @ 1000 for 1 of the weeks but oil is gone from the heads.
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A lot of times when I have to move in and chase the oil I have to move to a stronger ball. Yes the shot is drying up, but when you move in you're making the oil act a little heavier and also want the ball to react more/stronger.
When Belmonte lofts the gutter cap he isn't throwing a medium pearl, he's throwing a shiny Critical Theory.
Carry down issues are different than carry issues.
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I don't want to discredit you for trying to provide something useful, but the Belmonte example only works for a small, select group of people. He can make anything hook. Also, the Critical Theory is a Pearl cover
I'm using a fairly strong ball in the Bounty, however, it's a dull solid and works best with tighter angles to a little swing. There isn't a high volume of oil, pattern seems to be around 38-39' and the head oil goes pretty fast on the house shot.
I've only been able to use my oil ball once, I showed up to practice and they told me a sport pattern was out on a couple pairs, which played like Shark.
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True, not everyone is Belmo. But based on this first paragraph:
On Wednesday mens league I have trouble carrying the 10 as I move farther inside with my bounty, however if I ball down both my Crossroad and TF just don't have quite enough reaction downlane.
You seem to need a stronger reacting ball than the Crossroad and the TF. I understand the purpose of the BH. But once you move in, chasing the oil, you need a strong ball to make the corner. And based on your experience, something stronger than the CR and the TF. Simple as that. That was the reason for my comment.
On Sundays, 4 person mixed I've been experiencing carrydown middle/end of game 2 in the track area to where I'm more pointing the ball towards the pocket and going flat 10 or just come up short of pocket. I even took my heavy oil ball a Rogue Cell @ 1000 for 1 of the weeks but oil is gone from the heads.
I used to have something like this happen to me when we had a 12 mph cranker swing plastic from the inside out to the track and back. The exit area of the track developed carry down and carry suffered. What was successful for us was to force the reaction outside of the track and a bit earlier. I don't know what that would mean for you. For us we went with some control drilling balls and even threw strong pearls to force the reaction in the dry outside the track.
Good luck!!
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Well maybe I figured something out. Went to bowl tonight and thought I'd just start with my Crossroad, ended up going 247-300-215. I was able to just move left as the lanes changed. Left lane broke down faster, so I was further left and had to keep my ball speed above 17 and on the right lane I didnt have to move much and kept my ball speed around 16.7.
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I think your problem may be more about matching up on broken down house patterns with your style than it is about equipment. The problem with house shots is that the heads break down quickly everywhere to the right of 4th arrow, but the mids still have heavy oil in the middle. This is not a problem for super high rev guys who can go around the oil while maintaining continuation. Also not a problem for real straight fluffers who can get the ball through the heads without moving in too much. Having said that, there are some options. I think strong asymmetric pearls can be laid out to help your inside carry. I particularly like the Lucid because it generates a big change of direction late while still being a rolly rather than skid snap look.
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I find that the single most important thing on a house shot is to reduce lane transition as much as possible, because some house shots can turn into nightmares pretty quickly. My average is higher than several people in this area that are physically a lot better than I am, but it's just because I can get through entire sets with the same ball only moving a couple boards max because I manage the shot well.
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I find that the single most important thing on a house shot is to reduce lane transition as much as possible, because some house shots can turn into nightmares pretty quickly. My average is higher than several people in this area that are physically a lot better than I am, but it's just because I can get through entire sets with the same ball only moving a couple boards max because I manage the shot well.
That was exactly what I decided to do last night and it helped in a big way. Hopefully the same thing will work on Sunday
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I find that the single most important thing on a house shot is to reduce lane transition as much as possible, because some house shots can turn into nightmares pretty quickly.
Yessir!
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I think I'll still look for a deal on a stronger assym pearl/hybrid to replace my Bounty, even though I love throwing that ball. I have the feeling that a different ball taking its place will be more versatile.
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I would look really hard at the Byte, every single video I've seen of it makes it look ridiculously good, especially this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSMPaWcmZfs
I think I'll still look for a deal on a stronger assym pearl/hybrid to replace my Bounty, even though I love throwing that ball. I have the feeling that a different ball taking its place will be more versatile.
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I would love a Byte, saw one on the shelf in the pro shop yesterday. I'm a college student so I'm gonna try to find a deal on a ball that isn't brand new. I'd love something along the lines of a Critical Theory, Purple Taboo...etc
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Byte looks awesome. Still think a Protocol would be boss in that situation. Might be able to find a Nuts Pearl for cheap on eBay. That ball is able to get around the corner from anywhere.
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I'd be all for a Nuts Pearl. I'd be willing to throw any strong pearl from the last few years, I don't need something brand new. NV series (Total/Complete), UpRising, Black Widow (Pearl or Venom), Track 7 series "A".
Now I want a ball xD