Author Topic: Question about pre-bowling (Read 12567 times)

jmattox · « **on:** October 06, 2009, 03:16:40 AM »

I have a question about pre-bowling. I had to pre-bowl for one of my leagues and I bowled a 300 and had a 700 series. I know that I don't get a ring or anything, but I was wondering how others leagues work. Do you still get listed as high scratch game and series or is that not allowed either?

Doug Sterner · « **Reply #16 on:** October 06, 2009, 02:05:41 PM »

pre/post bowling should not be allowed unless the entire team for both teams are present and bowling.

Allowing a bowler to use scores bowled by himself is roughly equivalent to allowing a quarterback and a receiver to run patterns and play catch by themselves without the defensive backs present.

If you participate in a team sport then it should be played as a team sport.

Period...no questions asked.
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inconsistent 1 · « **Reply #17 on:** October 06, 2009, 02:10:46 PM »

In our league we have to have a league officer or opposing team captain(that weeks) witness pre-bowling to have it count for league awards. Pre-bowling without having it witnessed is allowed for competition but not league honor awards and pre-bowling is limited to 3 times a year max and only for the week missed(no banking of scores.)

stealth · « **Reply #18 on:** October 06, 2009, 02:26:17 PM »

Get a sub simple as that.

kmanestor22 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 06, 2009, 02:34:19 PM »

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Pre/post bowling is understandable as things like... family events, injuries, and accidents happen... if a person continues to pre or post bowl and always bowls really well when he/she does... then there is something to look at (aka cheating). As for someone bowling well one night of pre bowling... he threw the ball well. Don't discredit a bowlers scores because he caught the lanes right.
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In agreement, unless the league has a rule prohibiting pre/post bowling there is not a problem. I have seen this topic hashed over multiple times in the past couple of years and it is always the same. I prefer to bowl during the normal league but once or twice a year our team has kids events that we attend that will not allow us to field a team during that week of league(and normally our scores are lower because we bowl on fried lanes). I have seen responses by some that the only allowable excuse should be if you are gone to nationals should you be allowed to make up. Sorry but that is not any different unless your league has a rule preventing it. Most of the teams make every attempt to field a team during the normal league but sometimes circumstances make this impossible.

Good bowling and good luck.

Mark

Ah, you brought up the one rule that USBC HAS made. No league rule can disallow pre-bowling as long as the bowler is absent to bowl in a USBC tournament!

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rvmark · « **Reply #20 on:** October 06, 2009, 03:39:20 PM »

I agree with Doug's comment as our league's only allow pre or post bowling as a team not as an individual.

Mark

jmattox · « **Reply #21 on:** October 06, 2009, 03:45:53 PM »

Well our whole team pre-bowled. By no means did I do it to get a fresh shot or anything like that. I was just curious how other leagues worked that out. Our league allows pre and post bowling and there is no rule within our league that doesn't restrict pre-bowled scores counting for league high scratch and other awards.

And by no means did I do it for an unfair advantage. I have pre-bowled before and they may have been some of the worse bowling I have done in my life. Thanks for the responses to this.

Atochabsh · « **Reply #22 on:** October 06, 2009, 07:53:51 PM »

This situation should be in your league rules. And if it isn't. It probably will be by next year.

Now USBC's online site is not functioning so I can see the rules. I know it takes 100% vote of the league officers (including team captains) to "change" a rule. But a simple majority to "add" a rule. If that's so, then I'd think that if your league does not have a league rule for this circumstance that a league meeting should be called and something voted on.

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Unhomed · « **Reply #23 on:** October 07, 2009, 06:42:18 AM »

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I fully discredit his scores from team competition. Congratulations on your 300, nice personal achievement. The scores were still not bowled under the same conditions as the rest of the league bowlers.
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THat is true, when you pre bowl you do not bowl under the same conditions as everyone else.

In the league I bowl in we all have manners and are repectful in waiting till the lane is clear on both sides and generally don''''''''''''''''t try to interrupt the concentration of the bowlers.

The last time I pre bowled (My family came into town for my birthday) I was put next to a birthday party for half a dozen 3rd graders with little/no supervision. Pizza and popcorn spread out everywhere. After their shots they would all sit on the floor by the foul line watching their ball roll down the lane @ 2 miles per hour. Spilled a pitcher of pop on the center table. Yelling and goofing around as loud as they could be.

And last year, with the 4 bra-less sorority girls

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Yep, prebowling was a BIG advantage for me

Lets be real here, prebowling is certainly a convenience, but not necessarily an advantage.
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Edited on 10/7/2009 8:14 AM

Aloarjr810 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 07, 2009, 07:19:03 AM »

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Prediction: You are about to become very unpopular with the other teams in your league.

Bowling out is the most unsportsmanlike and unfair practice known to our sport. It''''''''s not your fault. I can''''''''t believe they allow it.
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Since no one mentioned it.

Pre-Bowling and Bowling Out are two different things.

Bowling Out is when you have to leave in the middle of a game(say you get called in to work),you can finish any one game of a series before your teammates or opponents. It''s covered under USBC Rule #106d. Bowling Out

Ive never heard anyone say that bowling out was unfair.
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kmanestor22 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 07, 2009, 07:21:50 AM »

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I fully discredit his scores from team competition. Congratulations on your 300, nice personal achievement. The scores were still not bowled under the same conditions as the rest of the league bowlers.
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THat is true, when you pre bowl you do not bowl under the same conditions as everyone else.

In the league I bowl in we all have manners and are repectful in waiting till the lane is clear on both sides and generally don''''t try to interrupt the concentration of the bowlers.

The last time I pre bowled (My family came into town for my birthday) I was put next to a birthday party for half a dozen 3rd graders with little/no supervision. Pizza and popcorn spread out everywhere. After their shots they would all sit on the floor by the foul line watching their ball roll down the lane @ 2 miles per hour. Spilled a pitcher of pop on the center table. Yelling and goofing around as loud as they could be.

And last year, with the 4 bra-less sorority girls .

Yep, bowling out was a BIG advantage for me

Lets be real here, bowling out is certainly a convenience, but not necessarily an advantage.
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Edited on 10/7/2009 7:15 AM

Sounds like the people working there don't like you.
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Unhomed · « **Reply #26 on:** October 07, 2009, 08:12:39 AM »

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Sounds like the people working there don't like you.
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Perhaps

. It's a busy bowling alley and I just grab the first available lane.

Pre bowling under the right conditions may give one an advantage. Overall, one cannot pick the right conditions. Bowling under the controlled lane conditions of a league is an advantage, IMHO.
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Aloarjr810 · « **Reply #27 on:** October 07, 2009, 08:36:30 AM »

Sorry this will cause storm but...

The amazing thing about all the times you hear about Pre/Post bowling. Everyone that did it shot 900s, 800s, 300s, bowled 100,150 or more pins over average. They got to bowl on the best shot the house has etc.

The teams that bowled against those score's lost every game or they really had to work hard to beat those scores (Wow they had to try and bowl good to win, thats so horrible).

But you don't hear about the 90-99 percent of other pre/post bowlers that just basically bowled their average. The teams that bowled against the scores won everything or lost because they just bowled BAD.

stormed1 · « **Reply #28 on:** October 07, 2009, 08:36:45 AM »

What''s funny is no one would say a thing if he shot 480. Becausse we had several people who had work conflicts occasionally (ie.my daughter was a manager at Office Depot and had to work 1 sat a month). Our league allowed 1 pre-bowl per third.

Congrstulations on your 300
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Gazoo · « **Reply #29 on:** October 07, 2009, 08:44:36 AM »

Doug Sterner is spot on here. Individual pre/post bowling should never be allowed being that it is a team event. That's what subs and extra roster members are for when a teamate can't bowl.
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jmattox · « **Reply #30 on:** October 07, 2009, 11:10:06 AM »

Gazoo and others brought up that that is what subs are for. Our league you can only have 2 subs. Our team of 4 had to pre-bowl. Our team is all family, so a family function means all of us can't be there. I am cool with whatever the outcome is, it just means that I will have to bowl the same way again.

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