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ThongPrincess

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Question for Bowling Coaches
« on: May 04, 2008, 04:13:19 PM »
I was talking with a few friends and was asked what I would do.  Here is the situation they came up with and I'm curious what you would do.  If you were bowling a league and several of your students/athletes also bowl the league.  One of them is bowling poorly and you could see what the problem was.  They happened to be bowling a team with another of your students/athletes.  What would you do? Wouls you call them over and tell them what to change or wait until they were finished bowling that league session and tell them, or something else?

Right now I don't have to worry about it since I primarily coach the youth and the few adults I coach do not bowl the same leagues as I do.  It did get me thinking, so I'm curious what others would do.
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Re: Question for Bowling Coaches
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2008, 12:58:23 AM »
i would tell them what there doing, ive been bowling against somebody that was bowling poorly told them an adjustment and they ended up kicking my butt, i would rather see somebody succeed and bowl well then bowl poorly and be upset about it. I might not go completely out of my way to tell them but if they came and asked i would definitely help them out, or if they were bowling right next to me on the next pair where its an easy look and see.
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Re: Question for Bowling Coaches
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2008, 01:03:21 AM »
For me, it would depend on what kind of understanding I have with the students involved. Is coaching limited to our lessons or are actual competitions included?

If I was unsure, I would probably let this one go and then discuss it at the next lesson with these bowlers.

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Re: Question for Bowling Coaches
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2008, 03:45:24 AM »
I would ask if they wanted my input, and if they agreed, I'd tell them what to do to improve their scores.
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Re: Question for Bowling Coaches
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2008, 05:18:15 AM »
I have been on both sides of this. I have bowled with my coach who told me what I did wrong on every shot and then when he just let me struggle a bit to figure it out. I have also worked with others that I have advised to move and I have also let that same person struggle a bit. It all depends on what the person likes to hear. If they want to be helped at all times then give the advice. However there are some that don't want to hear anything during league. With my wife I won't give her any advice unless she asks for it.
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Re: Question for Bowling Coaches
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2008, 08:59:59 AM »
Thank you for the replies, but I'm not sure I made clear the potential problem.  They were more concerned that two students were in direct competition and only one was really struggling.  If you help the one and it ends up making a difference in the outcome of the set, wouldn't the other student/athlete be put off or upset.  Would they consider the other team was then given an unfair advantage by your coaching only one side of the competition?  But then maybe I am just overthinking the potential problem.

It can be hard to turn off the coach side.  Yesterday I was at the State Pepsi qualifier and it was hard to not coach when seeing a problem.  I do tried to limit any comments to offering encouragement but did make one or two suggestions.

After thinking about this for a few days, I'd personally probably play it safe and either wait for league to finish or, as jensm said, leave it for the next session and comment at that point.  Any other thoughts are appreciated.
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Re: Question for Bowling Coaches
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2008, 09:24:31 AM »
I think it would be unfair to the student who was winning and they may feel you were "playing favourites" if you help out one and not the other, especially if it changes the momentum, and even the result, of the match.

I think it would be best to discuss after, with both students, what they were doing right/wrong.

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Re: Question for Bowling Coaches
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2008, 09:50:03 AM »
I believe that if both bowlers were aware that you are there to help them both and not pin one against another it would be easier.
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Re: Question for Bowling Coaches
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2008, 09:50:39 AM »
Years ago bowling a regional in Ottomwa IA. I started off great and then hit a "bad" pair. Trying to score on that pair really screwed me up and affected me for the next couple of games. I eventually got back on track but missed cashing by 2 pins. Rich Weber saw what was happening and wanted to say something to me but didn't feel it would be fair and equitable to the players bowling. He waited until i was done and had no chance of advancing to the finals before he pulled me aside and discussed it with me. He then said keep that in mind for future reference however if the student came and asked for advise at that time I would probably help as he asked for help. It would then be no different that talking with your teammate about it while bowling. Otherwise I would wait till they are done.
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Re: Question for Bowling Coaches
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2008, 09:52:21 AM »
Honestly, I would not say anything until you are asked or until your next coaching session..  A lot of times people get frustrated with advise given when they don't want it, especially if their performance is putting them in a bad mood..

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Re: Question for Bowling Coaches
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2008, 10:31:02 AM »
I've usually let the type of competition dictate my approach.  If it's during league with a couple of trophies on the line, I offer anyone that I have worked with some friendly help.  For tournaments where cash or scholarship is on the line, keeping my mouth shut or at best asking them what they think they should do is generally my best solution.

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Re: Question for Bowling Coaches
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2008, 11:31:04 AM »
I try to let students alone during competition, especially if I'm in the same competition myself.  

But this has become an issue in our Junior tournaments in the area.  Some people expect the coaching, that's why the coaches are there and some are adamant against it.  We don't have anything in our tournament rules about coaching , or being coached, while bowling but we've gotten a lot of complaints about it.  Honestly I think that if the coaches are allowed to be there, then they should be allowed to coach/help their students.  But it always dribbles down to which program has the best coaches and then the other programs complain when the kids are coached by the better programs.  However, I think once you get into the adult ranks that professional coaching during competition in tournaments should not be allowed.  

During team competition I think that its imperative that a team help each other out.  So I don't consider that "coaching" in the context we are using in this thread.  Teammates should help each other, that's why its a team.  

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Re: Question for Bowling Coaches
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2008, 04:42:50 AM »
I avoid coaching students when they are competing against each other because doing it would have negative effects on my coaching relationship with the students.


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Re: Question for Bowling Coaches
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2008, 05:25:54 AM »
I think about it like this:
If I coach both players, and one is struggling, and asks me for help, then I will happily help out (although the higher the standard of the student the more I would act as something of a sounding board).
As long as all my students are aware that they can ask me at any time for help, then I think it's entirely fair to give advice where it's requested.
I do make it a point to never offer unsolicited advice, as I don't generally accept it when i'm bowling and therefore extend the same courtesy.
Obviously if there's a rule specifically prohibiting coaching, then I'll obey it, but this is rarely the case.
As long as you're open and honest about what you're doing (i.e. not trying to make a secret out of giving advise to one or other of your students) then I don't see the problem.
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