Author Topic: Questions about YOUR PBA patterns (Read 1550 times)

agroves · « **on:** July 11, 2004, 06:35:19 PM »

I bowled a supposed PBA Pattern league for 12 weeks this past winter. We never, never had any backend. It got so old pointing the ball at the pocket. I can only remember using anything reactive one time. It was a sanded Bruiser. I read about many of you having to throw polished resin and weaker drilled equipment to tame down the backends. I wish I had the opportunity to see that.

I was league pres and I constantly complained that we weren't getting the backends the pros see. I was told, "well we put the pattern into the machine". I think they didn't have the machine setup right. It took them 2 months to realize the hoses needed altering b/c they changed the oil they used. So, I figure my guess is right. It was never setup and we never bowled on a true PBA pattern.

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charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** July 12, 2004, 01:44:23 PM »

gAndrew,

I think, for all their good intentions, there are many factors that can accidentally go astray, when setting up oil patterns.

As you indicate, I am "supposedly" bowling on a PBA Shot league, different pattern every week, this Summer. I have never seen the backend we have here in any league I have ever bowled. Several us even whined to the league president that we really need more oil; he graciously asked/made the lane man add 5 units to each pattern. Now they play more like a PBA shot, with lots more tricky area and serious out-of-bounds at times. However I am still using mild balls.

Also supposedly a team from the Kegel people came to our house and set up the machine, for the lane surface in our particular house (Guardian overlay for 16-20 feet followed by old wood to the pin deck) in addition to using the patterns down loaded directly from the PBA.

Could part of your problem have been the oiling machine not cleaning or not properly cleaning the backends during the oiling process??

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tenpinspro · « **Reply #2 on:** July 12, 2004, 02:38:15 PM »

The hardest part I've seen here guys is the oiling machine. Kegel has the best and most versatile machine that costs an upward of $30,000 I've heard, not too many centers can afford that type of expense. We have a Century Magnum which cost the center $14,000 3 yrs ago and that only has 6 independent oil tanks(7,3,10 per side). There are many patterns that we can't put out due to the lack of flexibility of the machine. Unless your center has a lot of money to spend, it's pretty difficult to get an owner to shell out for the latest and greatest to copy all patterns because of high costs.

Rick

agroves · « **Reply #3 on:** July 12, 2004, 05:13:14 PM »

Since I used to work at this center, i know how things are ran. They have a kegal custodian, which is capable of laying down 3 different patterns. I personally think the stripper wasn't being mixed properly or something. I shot well on Pattern C from outside of 5. I was fooling around after league was over and shot a 700+ on this pattern. The rest of the patterns were very, very wet with minimal backend.

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MTFD24 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 12, 2004, 05:25:20 PM »

The "Classic Shootout League " here on Tuesdays uses the PBA Patterns, and the backends due have a tendency to "fly". With such shooters as Angelo, Baker and Jurek participating, I would have to say that the patterns are pretty close.

The most important aspect from what I am reading into your post would be that the backends are not being properly "stripped". But that is just a guess.

Having only had one opportunity to shoot on them, "pattern A", once before I had my heart attack, all I can say is that the backends were flying. Maybe Brian Green can jump in here since he has been on them every week.
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charlest · « **Reply #5 on:** July 12, 2004, 05:32:11 PM »

Andrew,

I just got Denny Torgerson's monthly newsletter; in this issue he starts talking about how to play the 5 PBA patterns. Of course, I can't copy copyrighted materials onto the internet; besides, inthis issue he only talks about patterns A and B. Additionally he is publishing a "publication" called, "Bowling on the PBA Patterns" for $34.95. His publications are usually worthwhile.

Anyway, of major note in his newsletter is this little tidbit, which, I briefly touched upon, myself, above, and I paraphrase, so as not to get caught in copyright issues: the lane surface and the type of oil can cause the PBA patterns, as defined on their webpages, appear to play differently to one degree or another.
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agroves · « **Reply #6 on:** July 12, 2004, 05:53:25 PM »

I know we used the Prodigy oil on AMF synethetics. I think the lane beds are considered middle of the road on the hardness/softness of lane bed. They seemed to carrydown more than disapate. Trying to kick the corner was the real challenge. You could hit your mark all day long and not carry.

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