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Questions...What would you do?
« on: March 20, 2013, 04:35:40 PM »
So the questionable 300 game got me thinking. This topic is about those questionable scenarios that pop up in league. So what would you do.

1. Teammate comes into position night late. Your team is in second place. Its the start of the 5th frame of the first game. League does not have a specific rule with tardy players so USBC Rules must be observed. Your team captain puts your late teammate into the lineup. He tells the other team captain that the tardy player can make up the 4 frames he missed because he didn't miss more than half of the first game. Makes a good case and seems to make sense. The other captain not sure of the rules agrees and lets the tardy player make up the 4 frames.

You know the rules. You know your captain is wrong. Do you say something to make it right. Or you let it go because the other team's captain has no clue and its his job to know the rules. 

Here are the USBC rules:

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109c. Tardy Players

Unless otherwise provided by league rule, a player who arrives late may be permitted to bowl after a game has started under these conditions:

1. The player shall begin play, with the score to count, beginning with the frame then being bowled by the team.

2. The player shall receive one-tenth of the absentee score for each frame not bowled.

3. Partial games shall not be used in determining a bowler’s average, unless league rules require the secretary to maintain averages based on the actual frames bowled by each player.
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Re: Questions...What would you do?
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2013, 04:52:05 PM »
I let them know the actual rule. I have no desire for everyone to stop bowling and wait for someone who doesn't respect everyone else's time.
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Re: Questions...What would you do?
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2013, 07:18:56 PM »
Quote from: milorafferty on March 20, 2013, 04:52:05 PM
I let them know the actual rule. I have no desire for everyone to stop bowling and wait for someone who doesn't respect everyone else's time.

Agreed.  Not only that, but the dickhead team mate who was late and cost us a shot at winning the title would be replaced next year unless he had a damn good reason for being late.

 What's with all these questions of conscience now?  Whatever happened to self respect, sense of fair play, and the integrity to play by the rules.  Are bowlers becoming so low and base in their behavior?
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Re: Questions...What would you do?
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2013, 07:39:54 PM »
even if the late bowler is on my team i do not let him bowl til the second game a rule is a rule reguardless if the other team knows about it. i just tell him to chill out til next game.
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Re: Questions...What would you do?
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2013, 07:46:18 PM »
wait till game 2 to bowl. 
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Re: Questions...What would you do?
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2013, 08:15:30 PM »
Kind of like in poker, the cards read themselves, as do the league rules that were agreed upon....
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Re: Questions...What would you do?
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2013, 09:43:08 PM »
Amazing. I never knew that rule.
Every league I've been in had a league by-law, that the tardy bowler had either to the start of the 3rd frame or the start of the 5th frame to bowl the entire game. One of my current league even goes so far as the specify that even if the late bowler is just entering the front doors by the end of the 4th frame, he is "on time".

I guess that's why the leagues had that rule.

The USBC rule makes sense, but there's too many legitimate reasons why someone can be late. Every teammate of mine, who was late, has called, especially in this age where everyone has a hand held/pocket phone. Even before them, people called the house phone and the desk called the team captain to the the front desk for the message.
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Re: Questions...What would you do?
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2013, 08:28:47 AM »
Personally, I like the rule that allows bowlers to "make up" lost frames.  It is easy and with today's scoring machines, the computer catches them up automatically.  It doesn't have to be one person bowling making up lost frames.

Can you imagine trying to decipher how many pins to give for the lost frames?  It is already confusing enough.  1/10 of a person's absentee score is more tricky than it seems.  Imagine a bowler who gets injured.  He has the front 5 and can't bowl anymore.  Rules states he shall receive 1/10 of his absentee average for the rest of the game.  His absentee average is 200 so he will receive 20 pins per frame.  BUT.... the first 5 frames must be completely added up before applying any more pins.  So he will have:

1st - 30
2nd - 60
3rd - 90
4th - 110
5th - 120

Now you can add the 20 pins for the rest of the game:

6th - 140
7th - 160
..... 10th - 220

The same situation will occur for missing frames.  Trying to explain this procedure to some bowlers ends in a long drawn out discussion with people trying to track down rule books; ultimately resulting in a difference of interpretation.

I will never give another team a hard time about making up even to the point of bowling a little slower to assist in letting the bowler show up on time.  Hopefully, good karma will return the favor.
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