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Gizmo823

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Quitting a league.
« on: June 10, 2013, 09:48:37 AM »
So I've recently joined "AA" (assholes anonymous) because I've realized I have a problem.  I'm an asshole, as many of you have gathered and pointed out.  I've come to terms with this and have accepted that I need to change.  How does this relate to my topic?  Well I recently quit my summer "PBA Experience" league.  I got rather frustrated last week and decided instead of putting myself in situations where I know I'm going to get pissy, even if I know it's just me being overly sensitive, I'm going to do what they universally say to do to work on things and just keep myself away from situations that I know will set me off. 

I love bowling, probably too much.  I'm really into it, I'm competitive, and I'm a purist.  I don't really like bowling in the summer, but that's the only time they offer this league, so I've decided I needed to support it.  Normally there's some of the city's "big guns" that bowl, and some college bowlers that come bowl.  However, this year, there's none of that, and in fact, it's the opposite.  First of all, there are exactly 10 bowlers in the league.  There are two bowlers that are literally mentally handicapped, one of whom isn't aware enough to practice lane courtesy.  They can't even average 130 on a house shot.  There's another older guy who throws a backup ball, who during the year bowls 5 leagues and keeps a composite average updated after every set and whose dream is to win a senior PBA title before he dies.  His highest average for a single season in his life is 179.  There are two people in the league who average over 200, everybody else averages around 180 on a house shot and are basically beginners.  I'm everyone's "pro shop guy," so I'm constantly being asked for ball and laneplay advice.  Would this bother a normal person?  Maybe, maybe not.  But this is the only time I get to really challenge myself and really focus and learn some stuff, but all that happens is I spend the night getting lane jumped, yelling when they get strikes, and there's a constant line of people wanting ball advice or coaching and I just can't get focused on bowling.  It's bad enough in league during the winter, but at least it's a house shot.  There was no point in bowling, and I'm sure the hardasses will get on here and say, "well, maybe if you had a better mental game," or "stop crying and deal with it," but you just can't get any good practice or work done when you're being constantly interrupted, and I'm not there to drink and hang out.  I'm there to get some work done, it helps a lot with my coaching and work in the pro shop.  Yes, I'm sure it could have helped my patience, but being that I'm not there to work on patience . .
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Re: Quitting a league.
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2013, 07:35:05 AM »
I understand it can be a pain, sort of like the first week or two for league secretaries  - tons of interruptions between shots.  But how much concentration do you need?  Do you seriously need to concentrate the entire 5 minutes between shots?  You should only need to focus once you step on the lane getting ready to make your next shot.  Once you step up, forget everyone else, concentrate for 5 seconds and throw your best shot.  I may not be in the business, but why can't it be that simple?

You would think it could be that simple, but when you're in the middle of a conversation with somebody, your focus becomes that conversation, and it's hard to flip flop back and forth every single shot.  Plus when you know so much more or develop coaching tips from watching other people, you use them yourself, so at least my head can get pretty cluttered with things.  When you're in the business, the way you sell coaching is bowling good yourself and when somebody asks how you did something or why you did it, having a good, relatable answer.  The way you sell bowling balls is by making them look good.  When I'm bowling, I'm in the mindset that our team is at the USBC Open, and I watch every shot that everybody else throws and we all talk, we all pay attention, give each other feedback, etc.  When you're in the business, you can't just drink pitchers, watch the game, and shoot the shiatzu.  You're being held to a standard by everybody else in there, so if you aren't seen to be at the top of your game, it affects business.  If somebody else is getting caught by the transition, and I made a move ahead of time because I've been watching everybody else, and that somebody comes and says, "Hey, why is my ball all the sudden going nuts and yours isn't?"  That either gets them interested in the ball you're throwing, or interested in learning something.  Like I said before, if you're in conversations with everybody else, you can't watch the other people throw the ball, you can't watch the transition, you always have to catch up to what's going on.  If you're doing something different, or trying to focus on something, it's hard to bounce back and forth, especially if you're deep into a conversation with somebody.  I stay busy enough keeping the team on track on our pair without having to help everybody else out.  My wife gets mad enough at me that I'm too busy helping everybody else to watch her, and I have another buddy that if I bowl with him, he has some trouble seeing some things, so he's always in my ear, but if I keep him on track, he's a possible 250+ no matter what he's bowling on.  It's not like just hanging out back in the bowlers area having a drink and a casual conversation with somebody.  And I suppose it's gone on long enough that I get pissy at the drop of a hat because I'd like to have just one league night where I can do that, just have a beer and a casual conversation and just take my time. 

And with LGD and his comment, I don't doubt that's how it comes across.  But while other people don't get why pros get so bent out of shape when somebody moves or coughs or Belmonte crinkles a water bottle, I get it completely.  Most people don't get super focused or into it when they're bowling, and once you cross that line when you start watching absolutely everything that's going on and keeping track of yourself, in addition to what's going on with your team and what the other team is doing to the lanes, that's full time concentration.  So no, I don't need 5 minutes of concentration for myself, but if I'm having a conversation and wasn't able to see some transition that gives me a bad result on a good shot when I could have seen it and moved, that pisses me off, and it makes me look bad.  I just live bowling, and when you REALLY get into something and make it your life, you get weird, and the stuff that really sets you off makes other people laugh.  My wife calls me Sheldon, if that explains anything to anybody . .

But again, I've gotta relate to people better, and if nobody understands where I'm coming from and LGD says I'm a prima donna . . I've gotta take that constructively.  I've either got to figure out a way to do both, or just cut something out.  I can't afford to be a douche and run somebody off because they don't understand where I'm coming from.  But at the same time, everybody that's not in the business doesn't give us the benefit of the doubt, it's like raising a teenager.  If they decide something "isn't a big deal," like going to a party with no adult supervision at 9 on a Friday night, because they don't foresee themselves doing anything wrong, they'll argue up and down with you, not thinking that maybe you know something they don't.  We can do so many things right for people, but if something happens they don't understand, or if a ball doesn't fall off the press and fit perfect and automatically find the pocket, WE are the idiots, and anything we say is just seen like we're trying to talk our way out of our screw up, rather than actually knowing something they don't.  We put a LOT into what we do, and it's hard to always take it nicely when somebody who shows up once a week and averages 170 is cussing us saying we don't know what we're doing because he's trying to play up 10 with a Defiant . .  It's like having a job that you can't get away from.  I'm constantly getting texts and facebook messages from people asking when I'm in the shop next or asking what ball they should get, or what's coming out next.  It's like being on call 24/7, and I'm sure there's some of you that understand that.  It's just a whole different world and sometimes I'd really like to just be able to have some quiet. 
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Re: Quitting a league.
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2013, 09:40:33 AM »
You're probably a nice guy to people who actually know you.  Here?  Everything you write is an open FIGJAM or a poorly disguised FIGJAM.  This last thread I think you were trying to show some humility but it turned into the arrogance we usually see in your posts.  Look back at your posts, you'll see it.
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Re: Quitting a league.
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2013, 09:48:01 AM »
Gizmo, let me add the perspective of age to this interesting conversation. I am 65 years old, so I have enough years to be your father. Fortunately, I am in excellent physical condition. I walk 4-5 miles every day in all kinds of weather, and I am taking no medication of any kind. For most of this past season, I used my 16 pound Columbia Power Surge (a piece of Civil War ordnance with 3 holes!!!) and averaged about 175 with it. I am reluctantly dropping down to one of my 15 pound balls.

When you reach my age, you may look back and wish that you could again go through some of the events that now irritate you. One of the players on this forum posted a topic called "Pet Peeves." At my stage in life, I have no "pet peeves" because I am very happy every time that I enter a bowling establishment---either to participate or to watch a tournament. I hope and expect to bowl competitively for another 10-15 years (and maybe more!!!).

Take a few steps back and look at this great sport that we have. You are in the prime of your life. Please do not take it for granted.
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Re: Quitting a league.
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2013, 11:55:54 AM »
You're probably a nice guy to people who actually know you.  Here?  Everything you write is an open FIGJAM or a poorly disguised FIGJAM.  This last thread I think you were trying to show some humility but it turned into the arrogance we usually see in your posts.  Look back at your posts, you'll see it.

No, you're right, I can see it.  That's why I understand your prima donna comment.  And I get the FIGJAM thing, but that's not my angle.  I speak in a lot of hypotheticals, or this is the way I'd like it to be, or the way I see it, not necessarily the way it is.  I'm not a great bowler, and I'm not the greatest pro shop guy, but I'd like to be.  Just because I pay a lot of attention doesn't necessarily mean I see everything or always make the right moves, and that's all based on being able to throw a decent shot to begin with. 

The arrogance I think comes from feeling like I constantly have to defend my intentions, like I feel like I have to completely explain absolutely every single thing about what I'm talking about or a situation before the fact.  I don't like putting so much thought and effort into a ball or coaching just to have somebody have a problem and start treating me like an idiot.  If something needs to be adjusted, cool, we know that going in, but when somebody attacks my intentions or insinuates that I didn't think about something or consider something, that's what sets me off.  So basically what comes across as arrogance is me trying to explain my thought processes so that if I say something later, people know where I'm coming from.  If I drill a ball, I purposely don't bevel the thumbhole much unless it's a frequent customer who I already know how to finish stuff for.  So ahead of time I have to explain a lot of things to people to show them yes, I actually thought about this, so this could possibly be an issue, but I want to see what happens so I don't overdo it.  Can always add more bevel, too much means a slug or worse.  If somebody buys a solid ball and wants it polished before they even throw it, I don't like doing it sight unseen, because I want to get it RIGHT, not just guess at the kind of polish or how much I should use, not to mention, if you're buying a solid and want it polished before you ever throw it, why didn't you buy a hybrid or a pearl?  I really hate having to explain myself after somebody has a problem because more often than not, they don't believe us, they just think we're trying to BS our way out of a screw up, and that's where some of the FIGJAM comes in.  You flash some rings and tell them how much experience you have, and yeah it's cheap, but it's effective.  That kind of mentality kind of carries over to a lot of things . . and apparently here. 

Any suggestions for the arrogance?  Maybe just shutting the hell up sometimes or not jumping to get defensive so quick?  I put so much effort into everything I do that I think I take it too hard or get too offended if somebody insinuates the problem is because of a lack of effort . .
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Re: Quitting a league.
« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2013, 11:58:11 AM »
Gizmo, let me add the perspective of age to this interesting conversation. I am 65 years old, so I have enough years to be your father. Fortunately, I am in excellent physical condition. I walk 4-5 miles every day in all kinds of weather, and I am taking no medication of any kind. For most of this past season, I used my 16 pound Columbia Power Surge (a piece of Civil War ordnance with 3 holes!!!) and averaged about 175 with it. I am reluctantly dropping down to one of my 15 pound balls.

When you reach my age, you may look back and wish that you could again go through some of the events that now irritate you. One of the players on this forum posted a topic called "Pet Peeves." At my stage in life, I have no "pet peeves" because I am very happy every time that I enter a bowling establishment---either to participate or to watch a tournament. I hope and expect to bowl competitively for another 10-15 years (and maybe more!!!).

Take a few steps back and look at this great sport that we have. You are in the prime of your life. Please do not take it for granted.

Appreciated.  Any suggestions on how to work on that?  I'm at least old enough to start to see myself calming down in certain areas, and even about bowling.  I used to cuss and kick stuff and punch walls and bowling balls, and I don't do that anymore, but I still feel like I want to sometimes lol.  It just sucks to not be able to walk in and just bowl . . like to know what that feels like again. 
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Re: Quitting a league.
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2013, 12:12:01 PM »
This is going to sound blunt, but if you don't have any desire to be pinged for advice and tips from non-elite bowlers unless it's convenient for you, you should probably stop working in a pro shop. You mentioned earlier that you have a normal 9-to-5, so there are really only two possible reasons you're in the pro shop business: you need the extra money or you have a passion for the game. I'll assume it's the latter.

But do you really have a passion for the game if passing on knowledge is burdensome? If bowling on difficult patterns is a chore because you can't adquately focus? If quitting a league is a legitimate option? I'm sure no competitive bowler cares to have twenty 140-average bowlers nattering away in their ear all night, but it's part of the game when it comes to running a shop. Your job necessitates doing more than sitting at a press all day mindlessly drilling holes into bowling balls. If those extracurricular responsibilities exceed what you're willing to do, then maybe you're thinking about quitting the wrong thing...

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Re: Quitting a league.
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2013, 02:13:09 PM »
This is going to sound blunt, but if you don't have any desire to be pinged for advice and tips from non-elite bowlers unless it's convenient for you, you should probably stop working in a pro shop. You mentioned earlier that you have a normal 9-to-5, so there are really only two possible reasons you're in the pro shop business: you need the extra money or you have a passion for the game. I'll assume it's the latter.

But do you really have a passion for the game if passing on knowledge is burdensome? If bowling on difficult patterns is a chore because you can't adquately focus? If quitting a league is a legitimate option? I'm sure no competitive bowler cares to have twenty 140-average bowlers nattering away in their ear all night, but it's part of the game when it comes to running a shop. Your job necessitates doing more than sitting at a press all day mindlessly drilling holes into bowling balls. If those extracurricular responsibilities exceed what you're willing to do, then maybe you're thinking about quitting the wrong thing...

Good points . . lol but honestly I'm a better at the pro shop side than the bowling side.  I just still love bowling enough that I like to do it, but you're right, it's pretty obvious that both together aren't working.  I love helping out or coaching, just not while I'm bowling, and maybe that's one of those things that just comes with the territory.  I don't like that it comes with the territory, I'd like to be able to clock out sometime, but if I quit the shop, I'll still get all the same questions.  I've got my own "clientel," and I'd still get badgered if I quit.  And I appreciate that people trust me and come to me, but I'd like to also be able to enjoy the game sometime. 
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Re: Quitting a league.
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2013, 03:03:53 PM »
Gizmo, thanks for the note. Let's start with the premise that our sport is emotional because it is so individual oriented even in team bowling. There are times when our emotions will get the best of us. It happens. My wife and I bowled in a husband / wife league several years ago. I drop kicked a chair a few feet after missing an easy spare. To this day, my wife constantly reminds me of that incident which I thankfully have not repeated. I have concentrated on trying to forget the bad shots because there is nothing that you can do about those. It all sounds very trite, but I think that it is a matter of looking ahead and not looking back. I still utter a 4 letter word every now and then which I think is "reasonably" normal. But I have suppressed the urge to peg a chair down the lane a la Bobby Knight. Look ahead not backward. You sound as if you are improving in this area, too.

When people approach you for pointers, you should feel flattered because it is a sign that they respect you. Uncle Crusty is certainly correct about people seeking advice as an everyday part of life. If you can help someone improve their game, you will be helping the sport that we all love. That should appeal to you.

I hope that some of this helps.
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Re: Quitting a league.
« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2013, 11:37:39 AM »
One thing you might try since you coach.  The next time you are asked for coaching help, hand them a buisness card and tell them you are available for coaching by appointment and what your fee is.....
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« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2013, 04:21:47 PM »
I tried suggesting this but I don't think the poster is looking for real solutions to his self imposed problems, and relatively easy to deal with problems.

He must think that he is the first professional that is approached while bowling by people seeking free business advice. It happens all the time. In fact, bowling is a great source to increase your business contacts. You just have to have enough savvy to turn the situation to your favor and a possible money making opportunity instead of obsessing on yourself and turning it into a problem.

The truth is, those that are serious about getting advice will take your card, schedule an appointment and pay you for your help. Those that are looking for something for nothing will back off once you let them know that they can not pimp you.


One thing you might try since you coach.  The next time you are asked for coaching help, hand them a buisness card and tell them you are available for coaching by appointment and what your fee is.....

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Re: Quitting a league.
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2013, 09:31:54 AM »
I tried suggesting this but I don't think the poster is looking for real solutions to his self imposed problems, and relatively easy to deal with problems.

He must think that he is the first professional that is approached while bowling by people seeking free business advice. It happens all the time. In fact, bowling is a great source to increase your business contacts. You just have to have enough savvy to turn the situation to your favor and a possible money making opportunity instead of obsessing on yourself and turning it into a problem.

The truth is, those that are serious about getting advice will take your card, schedule an appointment and pay you for your help. Those that are looking for something for nothing will back off once you let them know that they can not pimp you.


One thing you might try since you coach.  The next time you are asked for coaching help, hand them a buisness card and tell them you are available for coaching by appointment and what your fee is.....

Actually I realize all of this, and I always put on a smile and answer questions no matter what.  You must think it's completely unacceptable for a professional to ever get irritated or frustrated with people constantly bugging them with no thought or consideration.  As I've said before, I always help and I always answer questions, and as such, I have a fairly large customer base.  I don't see how people who have never been in a certain situation always know the best way to handle it . .  I'm trying to ask for a constructive way to handle my situation, not digs and barbs.  If it's so easy to fix, then maybe if you would offer the simple advice, I could take it and fix my problem. 
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Re: Quitting a league.
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2013, 06:45:03 PM »
You don't think many other professions have the same problem?

Medical doctors and lawyers are constantly hit up for free advice in social situations.

I was in mainframe IT development for 40 years but everyone assumes you know computers and I got lots of questions on their PC problems.

You just have to accept it, answer what you can with what you know of the situation and then move on.

I used to work part time in a local proshop for 15 years and got some of the same thing when I bowled.

It is even invited a little more because you are in your bowling business's environment. It simply comes with the territory and if you can't handle that then maybe you should get out.

The guys I disliked more were the ones that would come into the shop, talk to you for an hour or two on ball selection and/or drilling advice, and then would show up with the ball next week bought either online or at another shop that was cheaper.

That didn't bother me too much in that generally the ball didn't fit well and wasn't weighed out and drilled exactly like we had talked and we would get repair work off it. But made them pay dearly for the repair.

And I still say man up and finish the league, there can't be more that 6 or 7 weeks left.
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« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2013, 06:53:43 PM »
Pinbuster,
You beat me to the response. I laughed when I read the poster's last response, having been a professional for the last 25+ years. 24.5 years ago I felt like the poster did about people always seeking advice during social functions, at the red light, at bowling, in the grocery store, at my dad's house, anywhere they could corner me. I soon learnded that this is normal human nature and figured I may as well use it to my advantage---- a much better alternative than staying at home and hiding in the closet. ;)

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« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2013, 07:47:00 AM »
Haha, I like the last part of what you said, Pinbuster.  Happens to us all the time.  Spend hours talking to somebody and get everything all figured out, then they go with the lowest bidder, don't get what they wanted, then we have to fix it.  And if that's just the answer, that's just the answer.  If it's something that's just going to continue to happen, then I'm just going to have to deal with it, and the point about almost inviting it by being in that environment is what I'll have to hang my hat on.  My mom is an RN, so she's always getting medical questions, and I also used to do HVAC, so I would always get those questions, but not nearly like I do with bowling, and not even like I've gotten for the last couple years.  But that answers my question, so apparently I'm just naive and ignorant . .
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Re: Quitting a league.
« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2013, 03:41:17 PM »
Is there any bowling experience in which you're happy? Sounds like most often that answer is no.

For something you love, it sounds suspiciously like work.

I'm blessed, I supposed, I actually LIKE to bowl....Cosmic bowling with noobs, leagues, tourneys, practice....I don't seem to be negatively affected by so much or cling to ideals of how it should be.
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