Author Topic: Rate my Game (Strike Zone) (Read 2693 times)

mogators · « **on:** February 04, 2006, 06:36:51 AM »

Just got a new camcorder and wanted to get some feedback on my game. Here is what I already know; swingpath at release is too far from slide foot, throw too hard, probably have timing issues causing twisting at line. Let me know what else you see and how do I go about fixing it.
Thanks and have fun bashing me.

http://media.putfile.com/Strike-Zone

ws6boi · « **Reply #1 on:** February 04, 2006, 03:29:48 PM »

Well i believe that your twisted at the line because your push off is to late causeing you to muscle your swing because your late at the line so your pulling everything through.

mogators · « **Reply #2 on:** February 06, 2006, 11:21:51 AM »

So your saying I need to push the ball away earlier? I feel like I'm pushing away on my first step, I'll have to look at the vid again to see if I really am or not. Should I go to a 5 step approach in order to push away sooner? Anyone else got any ideas?

Strapper_Squared · « **Reply #3 on:** February 06, 2006, 11:35:11 AM »

Yes, definitely a little late with the push away, which is probably causing the late timing which is causing the twisting, etc. Appears as if you have already taken a full step prior to starting the push away. Try starting it as soon as you begin to take your first step. I would stick with the 4-step, just because its easier to trouble shoot and keep everything in timing... The other point I notice is that you appear to be fairly upright at the line. Try working on getting lower at the line by using some extra knee bend (not waist bend!)... The MoRich manual gives a visual of the bottom of your swing (release) being 2" to 3" beyond your slide toe. For me, thinking of this helps in getting down at the line and in feeding the ball down into the lane as opposed to hitting up and lofting the ball...
The ball rotation/reaction/speed looks pretty good...just a couple small mechanical things and you should see a huge improvement!

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TheDude · « **Reply #4 on:** February 06, 2006, 12:22:56 PM »

body lean. start trying to work in leaning over the ball to help your swing come in line. straight down and straight back.
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mogators · « **Reply #5 on:** February 06, 2006, 09:03:24 PM »

Thanks for the feedback. I just re-watched the video looking at the first step timing and agree that it looks like I have taken a step before much ball movement. I'll definately have to work on that to see if it helps.
Timothy, not sure what you are saying about leaning over the ball. Do you mean to lean forward on my setup?

New topic; can anyone recomend a good program for playing back videos on a PC that lets you advance frame by frame?

a_ak57 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 06, 2006, 09:06:33 PM »

quote:
Thanks for the feedback. I just re-watched the video looking at the first step timing and agree that it looks like I have taken a step before much ball movement. I'll definately have to work on that to see if it helps.
Timothy, not sure what you are saying about leaning over the ball. Do you mean to lean forward on my setup?

New topic; can anyone recomend a good program for playing back videos on a PC that lets you advance frame by frame?

No, Tim means lean slightly to the right. Not a lot though. It's explained on this link.

http://morichbowling.com/MosCorner/February2004/February2004.htm
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CPA · « **Reply #7 on:** February 06, 2006, 09:34:45 PM »

Your timing is a little late. Start your push away a little sooner. Once you have that worked out, you might try to get a little more knee bend at the foul line.

TurboManGT · « **Reply #8 on:** February 06, 2006, 10:39:32 PM »

Pull out a gun and shoot that 7 pin

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Re-Evolution · « **Reply #9 on:** February 07, 2006, 01:04:01 AM »

Something else to work on would be to get you swing closer to you body. Your arm is well out from your body this causes you to lose leverage and allows the ball to torque you body.
Ideally you want your elbow and hand to be inside of your shoulder until you rotate around the ball during the release.
I captured a couple of pics from the video that show how far your arm is out from your body and how much the ball torques your body.
www.bowling-info.com/armdistance.jpg (also notice your slide foot alignment)
www.bowling-info.com/torque.jpg (slide foot shows how much your body is torqued by the ball/swing.)
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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #10 on:** February 07, 2006, 06:13:36 AM »

mogators,

instead of posting on this site for advice, why don't you invest $50 or so and go to a coach who will put you on video and teach you what you're doing wrong!

to be honest with you, this is NOT the place to get advice. You can get OPINIONS, but until you sit down with a certified coach, you'll never get it right. I can't tell you how much it's helped me. Granted, I still suck, but that's a different story!

Honestly....get a certified coach who does video....it's worth every cent!

Your game is pretty good...w/ a little work, it could be really good.

Good luck
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Rev_O · « **Reply #11 on:** February 07, 2006, 06:17:23 AM »

work on the basics, balance, timing, maybe try to get a little more square to your target at release. You don't roll it bad at all. Just work on the little things and that will make the big things better.

You sure did leave enough ring 7's!!!
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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #12 on:** February 07, 2006, 07:18:12 AM »

quote:
work on the basics, balance, timing, maybe try to get a little more square to your target at release. You don't roll it bad at all. Just work on the little things and that will make the big things better.
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And he can't know those things FOR SURE until he's taught those things by a certified coach

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mogators · « **Reply #13 on:** February 07, 2006, 01:22:15 PM »

Everyone,
Great feedback again. Especially glad to see the comment about all the smash 7's.

Was really unusual to see that many, I occasionaly come in light and leave a 7 but not that often for a smash 7. Thanks for the link to the Morich sight, now I understand the leaning thing better. Definately knew my armswing was too far away from slide foot causing me to lose much needed leverage and revs. Anyone know of a good drill to force me to do this? Maybe I hit my ankle as a kid and am subconsciensly afraid of doing it again. They need to make a Nerf bowling ball so I could practice with it until I could hit my ankle without hurting it.

Jeffrevs, I agree a good coach would probably be the best solution. Anyone know of a good coach in the St. Louis area? Maybe I could drive up to Chicago and get Diandra to work with me.

janderson · « **Reply #14 on:** February 07, 2006, 05:17:55 PM »

No bashing intended - just trying to help. Open shoulder, ball comes through too far from the ankle which means loss of leverage and thus rotation, a muscled/triggered release, and you chicked-winged the jeebus out of that first shot.

The ball distance from the ankle and the open shoulder may both be a product of your pushaway, which seems to be to the outside of your intended target. That means your swing plane on the backswing and downswing is behind you causing the ball to need to go around you to get to the target. Your mind won't let you hit yourself in the back of the leg! Going "around" the body also pulls you off balance and causes that chicken wing. With the ball that far from your body, you're compensating for the lack of leverage at the release point with a muscled trigger at the release - combined with the distance from you body, pulls you off balance at the line.

I feel your pain - I've struggled to overcome some of the same obstacles.

Got coach?

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