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Djarum

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Don't completly discredit the Wall...
« on: November 15, 2007, 03:29:21 AM »
We all talk about how easy conditions are. The wall is easy, at first. In my own experiences, walled up shots change faster than do harder shots, especially those with more oil. Too many times I see bowlers shoot 250 on the wall just to shoot 160 the last game because the shot has completly changed. In bowling tournaments that start with an easy shot usually end up with a shot that is just down right difficult. No backend. Over/Under. All sorts of issues. I've also noticed that on most walls it is harder to create your own shot. The wall usually dictates the shot you have to play.

Now on the PBA shots I've noticed that as we bowled on them, the shot got easier. Less adjustments to to burned out track, or the track burned out several games later. With todays technology, you can grind it out a game or two, and create the look you are wanting. As shifts go on, you may lose reaction, but equipment isn't as likely to burn up at the arrows like it can on second shift walled up shots.

Just some observations.

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Re: Don't completly discredit the Wall...
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2007, 11:40:14 AM »
You've obviously used my scores as a benchmark!
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Re: Don't completly discredit the Wall...
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2007, 11:46:27 AM »
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You've obviously used my scores as a benchmark!


When I bowled PBA league, I might have moved 2 boards the whole night. On the wall we have, I usually move 8 and have a ball change.

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Re: Don't completly discredit the Wall...
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2007, 11:56:41 AM »
The amount I have to move is dependent on the lane conditions as well as who I am bowling with on my pair.  I've had nights just in the past two months or so where I never moved more than one or two boards the entire night on a regular house shot, and I've had nights where I made a 10 board move in one game.  (And I shot a 266 that game I moved 10 boards, I was quite proud of that )  I also had times in my PBA Experience league where I barely made any adjustments until the 4th game when the heads would start to go and I'd have to move two or three boards left.  But other nights, I'd have to move left a bunch and make a ball change and change what I was doing completely.  I went from going straight up 7 to swinging from 17 to 9 in one game on the Chameleon pattern once, for example.

However, I will agree that while a regular tophat style house shot can be extremely easy, it can also actually get very difficult in the transitions.  I've had a couple nights on my Saturday league where I actually would have preferred bowling on the Scorpion or something rather than that house shot because it got so goofy when it broke down.
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Re: Don't completly discredit the Wall...
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2007, 11:57:39 AM »
Your experience and mine differ completely as far as transitions go.  I've had many, many nights on a THS where I didn't have to change a thing for the set.  On my PBA experience league, I see transitions that boggle my mind.  I usually start out ok on the fresh, but the transitions are so abrupt and extreme that I can never adjust fast enough or guess right.  For example, on Viper last week, I started off playing up 7 with decent speed.  By the middle of the 2nd game I was forced into 4th arrow with a weaker ball.  By the end of the night I could do nothing to keep the ball off the headpin, even while at 5th arrow.  Yes I could have done more, but my point is that I almost never have to move that deep that fast on a THS.  This has happened more than once on the PBA shots, most notably Viper and Scorpion.

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Re: Don't completly discredit the Wall...
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2007, 12:15:35 PM »
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Your experience and mine differ completely as far as transitions go.  I've had many, many nights on a THS where I didn't have to change a thing for the set.  On my PBA experience league, I see transitions that boggle my mind.  I usually start out ok on the fresh, but the transitions are so abrupt and extreme that I can never adjust fast enough or guess right.  For example, on Viper last week, I started off playing up 7 with decent speed.  By the middle of the 2nd game I was forced into 4th arrow with a weaker ball.  By the end of the night I could do nothing to keep the ball off the headpin, even while at 5th arrow.  Yes I could have done more, but my point is that I almost never have to move that deep that fast on a THS.  This has happened more than once on the PBA shots, most notably Viper and Scorpion.

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I think I wasn't clear. Yes, maybe after 3 games. But after 9 games, THS will typically be more unplayable than the tighter PBA patterns. This is at least at my house.

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Re: Don't completly discredit the Wall...
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2007, 12:33:40 PM »
But after 9 games, THS will typically be more unplayable than the tighter PBA patterns.




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Re: Don't completly discredit the Wall...
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2007, 12:46:31 PM »
On playability too many variables to tell. Amount of oil, balls used, number of players on pair, did they players work together to break down the pattern.

I've seen vary playable ths after 9 games. ive seen unpalyable pba after 6 games of plastic or spraying

In general ths is easier at all times
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Re: Don't completly discredit the Wall...
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2007, 12:46:35 PM »
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Your experience and mine differ completely as far as transitions go.  I've had many, many nights on a THS where I didn't have to change a thing for the set.  On my PBA experience league, I see transitions that boggle my mind.  I usually start out ok on the fresh, but the transitions are so abrupt and extreme that I can never adjust fast enough or guess right.  For example, on Viper last week, I started off playing up 7 with decent speed.  By the middle of the 2nd game I was forced into 4th arrow with a weaker ball.  By the end of the night I could do nothing to keep the ball off the headpin, even while at 5th arrow.  Yes I could have done more, but my point is that I almost never have to move that deep that fast on a THS.  This has happened more than once on the PBA shots, most notably Viper and Scorpion.

Don


Your experience pretty much says exactly what I was going to say (to the detail of where you were playing etc).  I do agree that an oiler THS can transition to where your magic strikes go away (sad face), but my experience with the PBA shots has been one of hardcore transitions mainly on the two that Don mentioned.  I go from having my ball skid all the way down to trying to figure out how to stand in front of the ball return and do that cute short step thing you see on TV.

That said, I have played on an easy THS as well and while I did still have to move a few boards to keep up with it, it was almost a joke.

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Re: Don't completly discredit the Wall...
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2007, 02:46:59 PM »
As bad as I am at hitting a mark consistently, I'll take a walled shot with the worst transition over the out of bounds most sport shots have. I get right of target and kiss the ditch. Pull it inside, off to the 2, 4 or 7 pin (on some patterns).

The THS has the nice bounce back when you send it wide, and holds good on tugged shots.

Now don't get me wrong, I hate being terrible on sport shots, and I am putting myself in any position I can to get better on them, but I don't think there is a comparison between the two to be made. Now an argument on stating the THS isn't *always* as easy as people make it out to be is another story.
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