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Recommendations for a Ball up from Motiv Rebel Tank
« on: September 29, 2017, 09:32:58 PM »
Love my Motiv Rebel Tank

Im in a league on Sunday night on lanes that are used non-stop all day (Think kids birthday parties and recreational bowlers). My Motiv Rebel Tank is a savior on these conditions & I take the Jesper Svensson approach. Theres usually a little oil out there left. Sometimes the Rebel Tank goes pretty straight & I cant hook it in enough but my other ball the Storm Sky Rocket HP2 pearl goes sideways.

Im looking for something that is a weak reactive that can keep me right when the Motiv Tank isnt hooking & not as strong as the Sky Rocket. Im a bit nervous to get a full urethane because of the lane conditions, I'd probably burn up the track very fast

I was thinking Fantatic BTU pearl or the Motiv Freestyle Black\Blue low friction pearl.  Ive researched a lot & watched a bunch of videos but my conditions & approach are SO different. Its seems every company is trying to make their low end equipment try to hook as much as their higher end line lately too.

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Mike

 

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Re: Recommendations for a Ball up from Motiv Rebel Tank
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2017, 09:58:04 PM »
Three weakest reactives (still commonly available) are usually the Tropical Storm, Blue Hammer remake and Brunswick Rhino.  BTU Pearl might be a good choice as well as it does well with fried heads.  Hot Cell and The Crow would both be a full step above the Rebel Tank if go urethane route (Tank Rampage would probably be like 3/4 step up).  Urethane generally doesn't burn the track up faster (not absorbing oil after all only pushing it slightly) but unless its pearl urethane it does usually require some head oil to do well.  Usually whose burning up the track are other bowlers with reactives.  My go to patchy reactive ball other than my Blue Hammer is my Pyramid Path Rising I have drilled very weak but I am speed dominant as well.  Wish could give review but haven't seen conditions yet crappy enough to use it.  Might go over to the crappy university lanes sometime to try out some of my dry lane stuff.

(edit:  forgot about C300 Scout and Ebi Crush/R but never thrown those balls)
« Last Edit: September 29, 2017, 10:58:19 PM by HackJandy »
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Re: Recommendations for a Ball up from Motiv Rebel Tank
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2017, 08:31:05 AM »
Three weakest reactives (still commonly available) are usually the Tropical Storm, Blue Hammer remake and Brunswick Rhino.  BTU Pearl might be a good choice as well as it does well with fried heads.  Hot Cell and The Crow would both be a full step above the Rebel Tank if go urethane route (Tank Rampage would probably be like 3/4 step up).  Urethane generally doesn't burn the track up faster (not absorbing oil after all only pushing it slightly) but unless its pearl urethane it does usually require some head oil to do well.  Usually whose burning up the track are other bowlers with reactives.  My go to patchy reactive ball other than my Blue Hammer is my Pyramid Path Rising I have drilled very weak but I am speed dominant as well.  Wish could give review but haven't seen conditions yet crappy enough to use it.  Might go over to the crappy university lanes sometime to try out some of my dry lane stuff.

(edit:  forgot about C300 Scout and Ebi Crush/R but never thrown those balls)

Thanks Jack, Im calling up my Proshop today about the Fanatic BTU pearl vs the Rhino. Im pretty sure the Rhino is close to the Path rising, Tropical Storm so he should be able to give me some pointers.

Basically my question is this... when you go to Brunswick website, the BTU pearl hook potential is 120 vs the Rhino being 95 but it shows that you need to start way more left with the Rhino than the BTU pearl so that doesnt make sense to me. If I have a weaker ball, I have to move right, not left. So either the Rhino data & line is wrong or the BTU pearl data & line is wrong. Unless someone knows the answer to that

http://www.bowlwithbrunswick.com/balls/detail/fanatic-btu-pearl/

http://www.bowlwithbrunswick.com/balls/detail/rhino-red-black-gold-pearl/

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Re: Recommendations for a Ball up from Motiv Rebel Tank
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2017, 01:56:00 PM »
Those are all very good choices.

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Re: Recommendations for a Ball up from Motiv Rebel Tank
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2017, 01:59:15 PM »
Fortunately that's where I'm lucky to have my old reliable Natural where,  it's extremely smooth and never overreact, and for me handles the carry down, and the burn quite well. Good luck with your choice.

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Re: Recommendations for a Ball up from Motiv Rebel Tank
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2017, 02:20:01 PM »
Should have made sure I left a caveat on the Path Rising being significantly stronger than those other balls I listed.  It's not strictly a dry ball for most styles (can handle fair amount of medium) but being speed dominant it is for me.  On only THS I used it on so far it went dead straight for me just like my blue hammer.
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Re: Recommendations for a Ball up from Motiv Rebel Tank
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2017, 02:33:36 PM »
Three weakest reactives (still commonly available) are usually the Tropical Storm, Blue Hammer remake and Brunswick Rhino.  BTU Pearl might be a good choice as well as it does well with fried heads.  Hot Cell and The Crow would both be a full step above the Rebel Tank if go urethane route (Tank Rampage would probably be like 3/4 step up).  Urethane generally doesn't burn the track up faster (not absorbing oil after all only pushing it slightly) but unless its pearl urethane it does usually require some head oil to do well.  Usually whose burning up the track are other bowlers with reactives.  My go to patchy reactive ball other than my Blue Hammer is my Pyramid Path Rising I have drilled very weak but I am speed dominant as well.  Wish could give review but haven't seen conditions yet crappy enough to use it.  Might go over to the crappy university lanes sometime to try out some of my dry lane stuff.

(edit:  forgot about C300 Scout and Ebi Crush/R but never thrown those balls)

Thanks Jack, Im calling up my Proshop today about the Fanatic BTU pearl vs the Rhino. Im pretty sure the Rhino is close to the Path rising, Tropical Storm so he should be able to give me some pointers.

Basically my question is this... when you go to Brunswick website, the BTU pearl hook potential is 120 vs the Rhino being 95 but it shows that you need to start way more left with the Rhino than the BTU pearl so that doesnt make sense to me. If I have a weaker ball, I have to move right, not left. So either the Rhino data & line is wrong or the BTU pearl data & line is wrong. Unless someone knows the answer to that

http://www.bowlwithbrunswick.com/balls/detail/fanatic-btu-pearl/

http://www.bowlwithbrunswick.com/balls/detail/rhino-red-black-gold-pearl/

As for Brunswick sometimes it seems like they have different stats for different generations of balls that don't match up well.  All I can recommend is get on youtube and see if you can find some ball videos for all balls you are interested in by someone who has a style similar to yours.  My impression in general is that the Rhino goes about as long as any reactive period and is going to have less overall hook and less backend even than the BTU Pearl.  For being a pearl actually the length on the BTU is pretty middle of the road according to BTM.  Modern Rhino is very underrated ball imo is probably better for playing outside on strictly dry lanes.  The BTU Pearl might be better for patchy lanes depending on your style (better blends out wet and dry and can handle more oil).
« Last Edit: September 30, 2017, 02:46:14 PM by HackJandy »
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Re: Recommendations for a Ball up from Motiv Rebel Tank
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2017, 05:48:01 PM »
Ok so I finally had a chance to go to the dry house and wouldn't you know they actually oiled this morning.  Place is such a desert even fresh oil is more like medium dry.  Turns out maybe the Path Rising isn't much stronger than the Blue Hammer remake after all.  Sample size is small or maybe I got a dud but ball is remarkably weak (also only ball tried ring finger in pin drilling so that might be some it).  It does read the midlane better than my polished Blue Hammer but it doesn't seem that much stronger board wise at all (maybe two boards) and is really tame on the back end.  Had it like 3000 unpolished but think I am going to put more surface on it and try again sometime.  I guess also maybe if there is too much oil they could look more alike than in real dry which could separate them more.  Still the oil wasn't medium as I can't usually throw my Blue Hammer 15 to 10 and hit pocket like today.  With my style never need to worry about that ball hooking off the lane.  Also confirmed more than likely my gunsmoke cobra will go completely straight on any condition no matter what.  The weakest ball short of rubber (probably as straight as my polyester ball if had to guess).
« Last Edit: September 30, 2017, 07:21:24 PM by HackJandy »
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Re: Recommendations for a Ball up from Motiv Rebel Tank
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2017, 07:48:24 PM »
Thanks Hack & Lefty

I'm going to sand my Grease Monkey Whack to 4000 & test my friends Rhino over the next week & see if I can get either ball to be in between my Motiv Rebel Tank & Storm Sky Rocket

I have a Brunswick Loaded Revolver as well... and that hook chart is remarkably close to the Rhino I posted above but it says this is a 150 hook vs Rhino 95.

http://www.bowlwithbrunswick.com/balls/detail/loaded-revolver/

I'm going to see how close the Rhino really is to this ball next week as well. This ball I tested vs the Sky Rocket this weekend & they were pretty close, the Sky Rocket was a little stronger & obviously more angular. I may end up selling the Sky to my friend to fund the new ball since these 2 are close.

Im definitely leaning Fanatic BTU pearl though if Rhino & 4000 grit Monkey Whack fail.



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Re: Recommendations for a Ball up from Motiv Rebel Tank
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2017, 07:55:23 PM »
Have had my eye on both those BTU balls and think they would be a valuable addition to an arsenal for sure (not so much mine with a crap ton of urethane and pseudo urethane already).  They would probably be more versatile than the Rhino but may be harder to keep on the lane for someone with high revs on the dry. 
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Re: Recommendations for a Ball up from Motiv Rebel Tank
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2017, 01:36:46 PM »
Have had my eye on both those BTU balls and think they would be a valuable addition to an arsenal for sure (not so much mine with a crap ton of urethane and pseudo urethane already).  They would probably be more versatile than the Rhino but may be harder to keep on the lane for someone with high revs on the dry.

If I cant keep the BTU pearl on the lane, the Motiv Rebel Tank will be perfect. I love that ball if I miss left, thats my fault, thats for sure.
I'm actually going to work on a 2nd release this week, one with more forward roll which may let me use some of my "pro" level stuff. Hopefully that will let me use the Sky Rocket. I was hoping to get my 4000 grit pad in before the league tonight but nope. I'll have lots to report back after next practice. I'd love the BTU but I may not NEED it if I adjust my release or get this Radical Grease Monkey Whack right.

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Re: Recommendations for a Ball up from Motiv Rebel Tank
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2017, 02:30:11 PM »
No problem. Let u know how they perform at 4000;  keep in mind the grease monkey may go NUTS off the pattern if it's too much friction /carry down.

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Re: Recommendations for a Ball up from Motiv Rebel Tank
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2017, 03:29:38 PM »
No problem. Let u know how they perform at 4000;  keep in mind the grease monkey may go NUTS off the pattern if it's too much friction /carry down.

Thanks for the heads up.
I LOVED my grease monkey whack. Its been resurfaced in the past & now Im just messing around with it. A lot of miles on that ball. If I can get any more league life left in that, its a bonus. Im a big fan of Hybrids, would love a Hy-wire & Cyclops.
If this does jump off the spot at 4000 grit like the Sky Rocket, it will be a practice ball to keep the Sky Rocket alive longer.

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Re: Recommendations for a Ball up from Motiv Rebel Tank
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2017, 07:27:11 AM »
No problem. Let u know how they perform at 4000;  keep in mind the grease monkey may go NUTS off the pattern if it's too much friction /carry down.

So the Monkey at 4000 was still pretty early & didnt hook crazy off the spot. It pretty much turned into a Rhino. The Storm Sky was stronger off the spot & a bit later. I ended up selling the Sky to my friend for what I bought it for & the monkey is going to be a practice ball. Im going to throw some home polish on it for experimentation.

The plan is now for the bag to look like this:

Radical Ridiculous Pearl
BTU Pearl
Rebel Tank

Im calling the PSO today to order the BTU. Its time to focus on technique & consistency not screwing around with my balls  ;) I think the BTU will fit just right in between those 2.

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Re: Recommendations for a Ball up from Motiv Rebel Tank
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2017, 03:57:19 PM »
have you considered a Tank Rampage?