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Title: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: Geetaan on August 08, 2008, 04:14:23 PM
Hey all, my friend is looking for a heavy oil ball, he throws about 14-15 mph. he wants the ball to read the mids early. Some balls that have been recommended to him are resurgence, Levrg, Demension. any others that you could recommended for him?
Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: SVstar34 on August 09, 2008, 12:15:17 AM
Resurgence if he really wants it to read the mids early
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Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: noturcuzin on August 09, 2008, 12:16:35 AM
Almost impossible to find but if you can then InSite SuperNatural. Also a Fury solid works good in heavy oil.
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Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: SVstar34 on August 09, 2008, 12:19:50 AM
I'm hoping notcruzin is not talking about an original Fury, those were pieces of crap. If he is talking about a Twisted Fury Solid, that could be a good choice because of his speed
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Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: Maine Man on August 09, 2008, 12:20:18 AM
I would normally recommend the LevRg hands down, but with his speed only 14-15 mph, even in heavy oil the LevRg may read a little too early.  I would say to also look at the Black Widow Bite.  It's a little higher rg (2.51) than the LevRg (2.48) and the Resurgence (2.47), so it will match up better to his game with his slower speed, or so it would seem.  It is hard to say for sure without actually seeing him throw the ball, but that would be my suggestion.  Good luck.
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Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: Maine Man on August 09, 2008, 12:23:01 AM
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I'm hoping notcruzin is not talking about an original Fury, those were pieces of crap. If he is talking about a Twisted Fury Solid, that could be a good choice because of his speed


I love my Fury.  I use this as my benchmark ball and it covers a wide variety of conditions for me, from medium to medium-heavy.  I know many people didn't like it, but this ball works great for my game.  I wouldn't recommend it for true heavy oil, but it is a nice complimentary piece to have in your arsenal.
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Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: golfnutFL on August 09, 2008, 12:24:50 AM
My Cell reads the mids early, my polished Cell doesn't
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Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: noturcuzin on August 09, 2008, 12:25:03 AM
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I'm hoping notcruzin is not talking about an original Fury, those were pieces of crap. If he is talking about a Twisted Fury Solid, that could be a good choice because of his speed
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The original Fury works great for me on heavy oil. Have you had bad experiences with it?
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Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: six pack on August 09, 2008, 02:33:54 AM
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I would normally recommend the LevRg hands down, but with his speed only 14-15 mph, even in heavy oil the LevRg may read a little too early.  I would say to also look at the Black Widow Bite.  It's a little higher rg (2.51) than the LevRg (2.48) and the Resurgence (2.47), so it will match up better to his game with his slower speed, or so it would seem.  It is hard to say for sure without actually seeing him throw the ball, but that would be my suggestion.  Good luck.
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The LevRg is to good a ball to pass up,just adjust the cover.
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Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: BigWillyStyle on August 09, 2008, 02:49:02 AM
quote:
Hey all, my friend is looking for a heavy oil ball, he throws about 14-15 mph. he wants the ball to read the mids early. Some balls that have been recommended to him are resurgence, Levrg, Demension. any others that you could recommended for him?


You want a true heavy oiler that will read early?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xGfFsQlgDQ

Visionary AMB Particle...need I say more?!?

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Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: mmcfarland300 on August 09, 2008, 08:55:00 AM
Good call Big Willy alot of people shy away from Visionary in my area because of the size of the company.  I too love my Fury but not for heavy oil.  I would also say the Resurgence but some of the other options are the 900 Global Break S75 with some surface would be nice or the Ultimate Inferno.
Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: T-GOD on August 09, 2008, 03:33:24 PM
BuzzBOMB..!! It's for heavy oil.
Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: raven796 on August 09, 2008, 05:00:45 PM
I am going to have to go with the AMB Particle too.  You will be hard pressed to find a ball that works better on heavy.  Just make sure you watch to see if it starts reading the lane too early after about a game or so.  This ball is practically a cement block with a core thrown in it!!!!!
Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: on August 09, 2008, 06:35:24 PM
The Brunswick Copperhead excels on that for many bowlers. Very strong ball in the mid-price range.


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Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: DON DRAPER on August 09, 2008, 06:37:30 PM
brunswick copperhead
Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: On Fire on August 09, 2008, 07:04:09 PM
If you can still find it, go with a EPX-T1.

Another good ball I used on heavy oil is Epic Quest.


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Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: Fatboy8 on August 09, 2008, 07:45:56 PM
A 500 grit Anger is SICK on heavy oil.
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Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: on August 09, 2008, 08:48:48 PM
Oops! Copperhead AND Twisted Fury Solid...


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Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: Joe Jr on August 09, 2008, 10:20:02 PM
The Noize is the most ball i've ever thrown, and the Resurgence with the same cover, a lower RG and high Diff it should be even more ball.
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Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: SVstar34 on August 09, 2008, 10:33:38 PM
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that amb particle video makes me laugh every time i see it


yeah, that is some serious traction...
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Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: Geetaan on August 10, 2008, 01:20:48 AM
wow I didnt think i would get responses like this, i apologize for posting something like this. All I wanted was to get some ball recommendations. Maybe I wasnt real clear on that, and that is my fault. My friend just wanted to get some recommendations on a heavy oil ball. I do appreciate all your imput. thanks!
Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: Jay on August 10, 2008, 02:14:11 AM
I think a Twisted Fury Solid, Dimension, or Cell will be the way to go for him.  But if he is rev dominant at all I would go with the TFS because of his ball speed.  Other wise weaker drillings will probably be needed for the others and I don't think that's a great idea.
Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: Blistershurt on August 10, 2008, 02:44:00 AM
LevRG from my experience is not a good heavy oil ball, it sets up nice, but it still goes pretty long. I think I'd suggest an Anger (i had mine at 1000 when I had it), a Cell, a Dimension, or a Fury. Many people didnt like the Fury, but if you drill it right and actually match it up on conditions that are favorable for the ball (lots and lots of oil) it is a good ball with a nice even arcing motion.
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Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: Moon57 on August 10, 2008, 05:54:51 AM
geetan, you've got nothing to apologize for. You can't control how some people will answer your post. This kind of stuff happens all the time on here,
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Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: mmcfarland300 on August 11, 2008, 05:59:32 PM
On Fire, the EPX is a great ball but don't you think the amount of mainanence you have to give it is a little bit of a downfall?

Saw how many threads are you going to hijack in a month?
Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: Dan Belcher on August 11, 2008, 07:45:52 PM
OK, aside from whatever argument de jour is going on, back to the original topic.  The Rotogrip Cell is my heavy oil ball of choice.  It doesn't hook a ton for me on heavy oil, but it's controllable and carries exceptionally well on heavier/longer patterns.  It also is continuous enough that I can keep using it for awhile even after the lanes break down.  Very versatile, controllable yet powerful ball.
Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: T-GOD on August 12, 2008, 01:16:16 PM
Funny how Ebonites drilling instructions for the NV series only has 3 layouts and 2 of them are CG out. #1 is with the pin over the fingers w/the CG out and #2 is with the pin under the ring w/the CG out. The 3rd is just a stupid stacked leverage.

Drilling #1
If you do not have a positive axis, use this layout.
Ball Reaction: Long and Strong
Suitable for: Most Styles and Lines
Flare potential: Medium
Center of Gravity: The center of gravity placement may or may not fall inside the CG Area. If it doesn’t then the balance hole location may need to be adjusted.
Mass Bias Placement: Place Mass Bias 3 inches to the right of the thumb hole
If needed place balance hole 4 inches over and 1/2 inch up and drill back to statically legal.  

Drilling #2
Ball Reaction: Long and Strong
Suitable for: Most Styles and Lines
Flare potential: Large
Pin Placement: Place Pin 4 1/2 inches from PAP
Center of Gravity: The center of gravity placement may or may not fall inside the CG Area. If it doesn’t then the balance hole location may need to be adjusted.
Mass Bias Placement: Place Mass Bias at a 45 degree angle to the right of the thumb hole. If needed place balance hole over on the Vertical Axis Line and 2 inches down and drill back to negative side weight. The bigger and deeper the hole is the more increased ball reaction. Remember to keep the ball statically legal.

This is a bunch of crap. If needed, place a balance hole xyz and drill it back to NEGATIVE side. How do you know if it's needed..? OMG

And you want to crap on Lane 1 people suggesting pin under CG out layouts..? WOW..!! =:^D


Edited on 8/12/2008 1:19 PM
Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: Oskuposer on August 12, 2008, 10:00:23 PM
If i have side roll when im going to handed then pin under wouldn't work because i would clip the fingers, now that would be good for dry lanes.  If i go one hand then its ok but just rolls out
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Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: T-GOD on August 13, 2008, 10:59:25 AM
bigmark,  Layout #1 is for "most styles". If you don't have a PAP measurement it says...
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Place Mass Bias 3 inches to the right of the thumb hole
Bowlers with different PAP's are being suggested to place the MB 3" to the right of the thumb hole. Isn't that the same thing as what's being suggested by users on here who suggest placing the pin under the ring and kicking the CG out for any bowler without knowing their PAP..?

I think it is. So, maybe you should stop bashing users on here and start bashing Ebonite..!! =:^D
Title: Re: recommendations for a heavy oil ball
Post by: T-GOD on August 13, 2008, 12:47:35 PM
bm,
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That is why they don't suggest a vague pin placement.
Drilling #1 shows to put the pin over the bridge/fingers, for EVERYONE, so IT IS THE SAME..!! Why are you so blind..?

These are standard layouts (pin over bridge/pin under bridge/under ring finger with the CG kicked out) that DO WORK VERY WELL for MOST STYLES. Plus they're safe because they do work so well for most styles.

I'm not here to get in a argument with you, I'm just stating facts that somehow are mysteriously not seen by you. =:^D