Post by: n00dlejester on June 11, 2008, 02:07:08 PM
I did another water bath on it today, this time I scrubbed it while it was in the water. It looks good. Then I put a hair dryer on it to see if anything comes out, and blammo, oil is coming to the top.
Would you recommend trying to bake out the oil? Or using that oven in pro-shops: the Rejuvenator if I remember correctly. If you've had experience with either of these, what are they? I've never attempted to try a ball in the oven before, so I'm just trying to find first hand experience before I decide to do anything.
Thanks!
Post by: on June 11, 2008, 10:18:49 PM
DO NOT put it in your oven home unless you're eager to buy a new ball. I can't even count how many guys have brought in a cracked ball that was tried at home under seemingly safe conditions.
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Post by: on June 11, 2008, 10:30:19 PM
I have one friend who got lucky with his Brunswick Swamp Monster about 3-4 times. The next time did it in and I was happy to sell him a new ball!
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Post by: tenpin477 on June 11, 2008, 11:10:16 PM
Im amazed, I really dont understand it.
Post by: on June 12, 2008, 04:22:49 AM
I've gave balls water baths and saw oil come out.
I've baked at my ovens lowest tempature and oil came out. Once its like this plan to do it about every 40 games. Yes oil comes out but """"beware they will crack and cores break"""" I've been lucky two guys I bowled with have lost balls to the dump. I've have my best luck getting them resurfaced on a haus machine at a local pro shop. Got about 70 games w the resuracing.
I believe taking care of a ball with cleaners and polishes ( I use neo tac products renew it, control it, hook it, and liquid sand paper) and cleaning after every nite of bowling. I do every thing by hand.
You can lose a ball to the outdoor heat. It happened to me last year went on vacation and left ball set by the window. Cracked about half way around and was indoors.
Good luck all!!!!!
Post by: Grayson on June 12, 2008, 04:42:39 AM
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Post by: Jay on June 12, 2008, 05:06:08 AM
Post by: n00dlejester on June 12, 2008, 05:17:59 AM
Does your Revivor oven keep the ball wet at all? Just curious.
Thanks for all the replies guys!
Post by: ibowled286 on June 12, 2008, 05:22:01 AM
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Post by: Grayson on June 12, 2008, 09:25:59 AM
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Grayson: So, particles aren't really water-bath friendly or something? They have a 1-game break-in period after a bath? That's pretty weird. That kinda makes me not want to do it to my particle because it seems that it's not a good thing for them.
just the experience I had with my Track Arsenal Angular. I do not have the same with my Machine
Could be that back then I just waited too long till I took the ball out.... dunno
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Post by: DON DRAPER on June 12, 2008, 09:26:32 AM
Post by: BOWL119 on June 12, 2008, 09:33:08 AM
Right now the box made out of wood. I am planning on making one out of metal, kind of like duct work.
I tried to use the hot water bath, but found that the space heater seemed to work better.
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Post by: dizzyfugu on June 12, 2008, 09:41:06 AM
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Grayson: So, particles aren't really water-bath friendly or something? They have a 1-game break-in period after a bath? That's pretty weird. That kinda makes me not want to do it to my particle because it seems that it's not a good thing for them.
I can second the observation that a thoroughly oil-extracted ball from the bucket - be it reactive or with added particles - can take some games to settle and become more stable in reaction. But I do not think that it is a particle problem, I'd rather think that the surface needs some minor oil absorbtion to show a stable traction reaction on the lane.
Pretty much like a re-surfaced ball - these can take some break-in time, too, before you see a stable reaction again.
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Post by: on June 12, 2008, 11:37:31 AM
After the Revivor and some light resurfacing MOST balls regain their reaction very well. The only moisture is the oil coming out of the ball.
We lowered the price on these procedures to encourage the customer giving it a try and doing it more often. We charge $10 for oil removal, and $10 for light resurfacing. During the season (Sept-April) we've got more work than we can handle. Our customers are convinced because they see their ball reaction afterward.
Regarding particle balls: They are more porous than reactives. They do require more routine maintenance for that reason, as well as the fact that the particles tend to "smooth out" over a period of time. The companies that use solid particles can be resurfaced with virtually any sandpaper or abrasive. Storm and Roto still use a rubber particle as far as I know, and should be resurfaced with scotch brite, abralon or something without a solid backing like sandpaper for best results.
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Edited on 6/12/2008 11:40 AM
Post by: n00dlejester on June 12, 2008, 11:05:11 PM
This time around, due to time restrictions, I've been bathing it a few times everyday until I stop seeing oil come out. Of course, I didn't get a chance to dunk it at all today (work = epic fail). But the next time I notice a reaction problem in my gear, I'm going to give the revivor a try.
Post by: JessN16 on June 12, 2008, 11:23:45 PM
It even smelled like chocolate again, and that ball hadn't emitted its designed odor in years.
Jess
Post by: charlest on June 13, 2008, 08:26:12 AM
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I did the dishwasher route on a Storm X-Factor with about 1,000 games on it, then resurfaced and polished it on my spinner. It went from dead to almost new.
It even smelled like chocolate again, and that ball hadn't emitted its designed odor in years.
Jess
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Post by: n00dlejester on June 13, 2008, 08:39:00 AM
Maybe I'll get one when I get my spinner.
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Post by: eglleftcoast on June 13, 2008, 12:20:36 PM
Regarding the oven method can I assume correctly that a convection oven would work better than a standard oven?
Post by: n00dlejester on June 13, 2008, 12:37:04 PM
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Post by: chitown on June 14, 2008, 11:12:37 AM
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Are you comfortable with the hot water bath method? I have tried this but do not trust the water to get into any of my grips so I hold them above the water. For some strange reason I can not let the ball completely submerge. Is there a name for that phobia yet? dryballsophobia?
Getting water into any of the holes will not harm the ball.
Post by: leftyinsnellville on June 14, 2008, 11:23:53 AM
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How can you tell if anything is coming out of the ball while it's in the dishwasher and how do you know if you need to do it again? I'm assuming that when you take the ball out there is no oil on the surface of the ball? So how do you know anything came out in the first place?
Regarding the oven method can I assume correctly that a convection oven would work better than a standard oven?
Just like the original poster does, using the hair dryer test. Just blow the hair dryer on high heat on one spot on your ball, if there is oil in the ball it will come to the surface.
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Post by: chitown on June 14, 2008, 11:26:02 AM
I like this process because the oil comes out of the ball and flows over the bucket into the drain. This way new hot water is in the bucket all the time.
You don't have to worry about water getting into the holes of the ball! I usually just wait 24 hours before using that piece of equipment. Water will not ruine the core of the ball! I had a finger grip come out once but that's the only thing that ever happened from using a hot water bath.
This hot water bath process works!
Post by: chitown on June 14, 2008, 11:35:06 AM
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Post by: n00dlejester on June 15, 2008, 04:04:38 PM
Another update: I've dunked it about 4 more times in this weekend, and the oil seems to be going away. I'm going to let it dry, and then sand it from 360 back up to 500 Tuesday and see how it handles the lanes. Hopefully that swooping backend returns. Otherwise, I'll have to prematurely buy my Dimension.