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n00dlejester

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Rejuvenator/ball baking
« on: June 11, 2008, 02:07:08 PM »
As my saga continues to try and fix my seemingly oil soaked Paradigm Passion continues, here is the latest installment:

I did another water bath on it today, this time I scrubbed it while it was in the water.  It looks good.  Then I put a hair dryer on it to see if anything comes out, and blammo, oil is coming to the top.  

Would you recommend trying to bake out the oil?  Or using that oven in pro-shops: the Rejuvenator if I remember correctly.  If you've had experience with either of these, what are they?  I've never attempted to try a ball in the oven before, so I'm just trying to find first hand experience before I decide to do anything.

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Re: Rejuvenator/ball baking
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2008, 09:26:32 AM »
next to the haus resurfacing machine the rejuvenator and/or revivor is the most important pro shop tool ever invented.
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Re: Rejuvenator/ball baking
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2008, 09:33:08 AM »
I actually built a box and use a little ceramic space heater to help get the oil out of a ball. Once the ball heats up, the oil comes out easily. I will sand it down to 360. Usually I start with 5 minutes, then just keep an eye on it. As I see more oil, I remove it and wipe it off. I use the 6 sided method until I see no oil coming out of the ball. Then I will bring it back up to where I need or want it.

Right now the box made out of wood. I am planning on making one out of metal, kind of like duct work.

I tried to use the hot water bath, but found that the space heater seemed to work better.
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Re: Rejuvenator/ball baking
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2008, 09:41:06 AM »
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Grayson: So, particles aren't really water-bath friendly or something?  They have a 1-game break-in period after a bath?  That's pretty weird.  That kinda makes me not want to do it to my particle because it seems that it's not a good thing for them.


I can second the observation that a thoroughly oil-extracted ball from the bucket - be it reactive or with added particles - can take some games to settle and become more stable in reaction. But I do not think that it is a particle problem, I'd rather think that the surface needs some minor oil absorbtion to show a stable traction reaction on the lane.
Pretty much like a re-surfaced ball - these can take some break-in time, too, before you see a stable reaction again.
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Re: Rejuvenator/ball baking
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2008, 11:37:31 AM »
n00dlejester,

After the Revivor and some light resurfacing MOST balls regain their reaction very well. The only moisture is the oil coming out of the ball.
 
We lowered the price on these procedures to encourage the customer giving it a try and doing it more often. We charge $10 for oil removal, and $10 for light resurfacing. During the season (Sept-April) we've got more work than we can handle. Our customers are convinced because they see their ball reaction afterward.

Regarding particle balls: They are more porous than reactives. They do require more routine maintenance for that reason, as well as the fact that the particles tend to "smooth out" over a period of time. The companies that use solid particles can be resurfaced with virtually any sandpaper or abrasive. Storm and Roto still use a rubber particle as far as I know, and should be resurfaced with scotch brite, abralon or something without a solid backing like sandpaper for best results.


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Re: Rejuvenator/ball baking
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2008, 11:05:11 PM »
Thanks for the heads up notclay.  Very informative post!

This time around, due to time restrictions, I've been bathing it a few times everyday until I stop seeing oil come out.  Of course, I didn't get a chance to dunk it at all today (work = epic fail).  But the next time I notice a reaction problem in my gear, I'm going to give the revivor a try.  

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Re: Rejuvenator/ball baking
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2008, 11:23:45 PM »
I did the dishwasher route on a Storm X-Factor with about 1,000 games on it, then resurfaced and polished it on my spinner. It went from dead to almost new.

It even smelled like chocolate again, and that ball hadn't emitted its designed odor in years.

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Re: Rejuvenator/ball baking
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2008, 08:26:12 AM »
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I did the dishwasher route on a Storm X-Factor with about 1,000 games on it, then resurfaced and polished it on my spinner. It went from dead to almost new.

It even smelled like chocolate again, and that ball hadn't emitted its designed odor in years.

Jess


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Re: Rejuvenator/ball baking
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2008, 08:39:00 AM »
Dishwasher, eh?  I wish we had one here at the house  Maybe I'll get one when I get my spinner.
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Re: Rejuvenator/ball baking
« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2008, 11:51:36 AM »
I'm sure the revivir/rejuvenator's work well, but you have to factor in the cost.  I like to do my own stuff if possible.  I tried the hot water (bucket) method several times and only had moderate success.  Ron (Clifton) told me to try the dishwasher on a ball I was ready to give up on.  The dishwasher succeeded where the bucket of hot water failed.  I'm sold on the dishwasher.  Just make sure to turn the heat dry cycle OFF or you might damage the ball.  Any heat source can potentially work, but the more even the heat is applied, the better.  That's why I don't trust (home) ovens and hair dryers.  Too great of a chance of concentrating the heat in one place.
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Re: Rejuvenator/ball baking
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2008, 11:58:25 AM »
I'll throw my 2 cents in on the dishwasher method also.  I've found nothing that works better.  If your ball still has oil coming out of it after a run through the dishwasher, just run it through again.  I had to run a Reaction Arc through three times before it got all the oil out, but I bowled on a flood with that thing three times a week for several months.
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Re: Rejuvenator/ball baking
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2008, 12:20:36 PM »
How can you tell if anything is coming out of the ball while it's in the dishwasher and how do you know if you need to do it again?  I'm assuming that when you take the ball out there is no oil on the surface of the ball? So how do you know anything came out in the first place?

Regarding the oven method can I assume correctly that a convection oven would work better than a standard oven?
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Re: Rejuvenator/ball baking
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2008, 12:37:04 PM »
What I do to check for remaining oil is put a hair dryer to the cover and see if anything pops up.  What I like to do is usually put the hairdryer near the bow-tie, as that's the area on the ball that gets the most oil on it.
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Re: Rejuvenator/ball baking
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2008, 01:33:56 PM »
You might be able to feel a difference, especially if it was pretty saturated  The ball after the dishwasher will feel "squeaky" clean.  Along with any other method, the only way to be sure it to throw it.  I've thrown balls that were "oil free" after a hot water bath that were still duds on the lanes.
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Re: Rejuvenator/ball baking
« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2008, 11:12:37 AM »
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Are you comfortable with the hot water bath method?  I have tried this but do not trust the water to get into any of my grips so I hold them above the water.  For some strange reason I can not let the ball completely submerge.  Is there a name for that phobia yet?  dryballsophobia?


Getting water into any of the holes will not harm the ball.
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Re: Rejuvenator/ball baking
« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2008, 11:23:53 AM »
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How can you tell if anything is coming out of the ball while it's in the dishwasher and how do you know if you need to do it again?  I'm assuming that when you take the ball out there is no oil on the surface of the ball? So how do you know anything came out in the first place?

Regarding the oven method can I assume correctly that a convection oven would work better than a standard oven?


Just like the original poster does, using the hair dryer test.  Just blow the hair dryer on high heat on one spot on your ball, if there is oil in the ball it will come to the surface.
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