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no300tj

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burning up
« on: July 13, 2008, 01:17:24 PM »
I'll start by saying we were bowling on the shark pattern at the time. I have a new world class I'm throwing. There were several shots where the ball left the deck on the exact same board it landed on out of my hand. When the ball comes back, it has 4-5 rings of oil around it that are all together, no flare. I'm puzzled by this because this ball should try to make friction in the oil. My friend says the ball is burning up since it is doing nothing. Now I understand that surface isn't necessarily where it's at on these patterns, but the ball doesn't look like it is burning. It seems to never slow down or come off of axis rotation. Shouldn't it try to flare? When I first drilled a xxcel, it burned badly with the box finish. But it would flare so much you could put your finger between the rings and not get oil on them. It seems to me I need to get the world class to flare more before I can say ti is burning up. Help please.

 

charlest

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Re: burning up
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2008, 09:36:03 PM »
Some thoughts:
- The ball would probably not flare, if it weren't encountering some friction.

- Shark patterns, like all the PBA patterns, can vary a lot according to the lane machine and the lane surface.

- You can try sanding it with a green or a grey pad to get a smooth 600 or 800 grit surface. Then see how it reacts and what the flare patterns looks like.

It's hard to say without a comparing it to a ball that is working.
- What type of release do you have (nothing in profile)?
- Has this ball worked on the Shark pattern before?
- What is its current surface?
- How is it drilled?

* The blue World Class, the solid particle, is a relatively strong oiler. For most people I'd expect some movement on a Shark-type pattern, UNLESS you have very high ball speed OR a high ball speed/rev rate ratio or plain low revs.

There are many other possibilities. Without more info, I can't draw any conclusions.
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bhsbigcountry

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Re: burning up
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2008, 02:26:03 PM »
ill bet there is no way it is burning up bc the ball hasnt ran into any friction. friction is what causes a ball to burn out. there is no correct way bc  like charlest said it depends on the oil type, lane machine surface etc. if it is not flipping or trying to create any friction help it with some surface. you wont get a sharp back end but it will help you get through the oil easier.
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Re: burning up
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2008, 04:30:28 PM »
Does the ball typically flare on other conditions? If so, are you playing the lane on shark with a much straighter angle than on other conditions?

Shark tends to make the average bowler square up more than "normal", that is to say, more than on a house shot. When you square some bowlers up, it changes their release, sometimes greatly reducing their tilt.  When you change your tilt, you change your PAP.  When you change your PAP, you change your PAP to pin (on ball) distance. When you change your PAP to pin distance, you change your ball's flare potential.

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no300tj

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Re: burning up
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2008, 07:18:37 AM »
Hey guys thanks for the replies. I guess I should have been a little clearer in the question I have. I'm not so concerned with a specific ball on a certain condition so much as whether or not a ball burning up should show flare in the oil. Im my debate with my friend/coach/driller about what we were seeing, I argued the ball wasn't finding friction therefore not hooking. He was saying he believed the ball was burning up. I'm just trying to gain an understanding of what was really going on. To my eye, the ball wasn't burning up. It looked more like the behavior of a plastic ball. He is a bronze level coach so it seems to be a good idea to trust he judgement.

Dan Belcher

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Re: burning up
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2008, 07:27:13 AM »
The easiest way to tell the difference is just to closely watch the ball travel down the lane (especially if you have colored inserts, a ball with a distinct color pattern, or a piece of tape on the PAP).  If it picks up a roll and begins flaring early, then quits, it's burning up.  If it struggles to pick up a roll and flare, it's struggling to find friction.

I've had a couple times where someone told me "you're right on top of the friction, the ball's burning up!" after coming in light a couple shots in a row.  I can tell the difference -- I told them "no, it's not," and changed my hand position and moved right a couple boards.  The next shot was pure flush and the ball picked up earlier.  There was more oil and carrydown than normal and with a lot of axis rotation, the ball was pushing too long and not able to grab the lane.  The person watching couldn't tell the difference, but I knew better because I know my own game and know what kind of ball reaction I like.