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supernoodle

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Release problems,help needed.
« on: May 16, 2007, 09:37:13 AM »
Over the years I have always had problems with an "Inconsistent" release,even though I wear a brace.

The problem I'm having is that not only does my wrist still seem to break causing me to NOT remain UNDER the ball,but now my hand is coming around the side of the ball far to early.This means by the time I actually come to release the ball my hand has nowhere to go and as a result I am losing a lot of revs/power which is killing my game.

Apart from possibly strengthening my wrist,is there something I can do (Both at home and when I'm bowling) in order to try and rectify these problems?

Any help would be very welcome
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Re: Release problems,help needed.
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2007, 05:46:52 PM »
What type of brace do you use ?

Most of them will make you come around the ball more and have a harder time staying under the ball.  The worse ones, in my opinion, are the ones that go up to you fingers.

Also, was your span measured with the brace on ??

If not, you might want to go to your pro shop and have your span checked out.

Have you discussed this problem with your pro shop operator ??

One last comment.  Your problem could also be a timing issue.

supernoodle

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Re: Release problems,help needed.
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2007, 06:03:14 PM »
The wrist brace I use is a Z-Loc II.

In terms of having my span measured they seem to insist that the difference wearing a brace will make on my span is negligable.I don't wish to get my gear plugged and drilled if its not neccessary.

I think there might be numerous things contributing to my problems,strength and timing being the two main issues.


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I would have got away with it if it was not for those pesky kids (Behind my lane) and those blasted 10 pins.
I would have got away with it if it was not for those pesky kids (Behind my lane) and those blasted 10 pins.

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Re: Release problems,help needed.
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2007, 06:10:27 PM »
Try throwing a back-up ball, then work work forward from there until you have zero axis rotation, then work on the final axis rotation you are trying to achieve.


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Edited on 5/16/2007 7:32 PM

supernoodle

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Re: Release problems,help needed.
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2007, 08:37:21 AM »
One of the problems with doing that though is that It could lead to me coming straight through the back of the ball and getting zero side rotation.

So it might fix one problem,but may cause another.I just can't seem to get the timing right to be able to come through the ball but let my hand come slightly around the side of the ball at the last second.

I know I can do it as I have on numerous occasions,I just can't do it on a regular basis and when it goes it REALLY goes.



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I would have got away with it if it was not for those pesky kids (Behind my lane) and those blasted 10 pins.
I would have got away with it if it was not for those pesky kids (Behind my lane) and those blasted 10 pins.

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Re: Release problems,help needed.
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2007, 08:49:28 AM »
Dumbcomputers is the best advice.  Try throwing a back up, you'll be surprised how your release will actually improve.  Its sort of like curing a bad slice off the tee, most instructors will teach the golfer how to hit a duck hook, and then work backwards.  But badcomputers is going good advice.  Joe....PS my best advice is to throw the brace in the garbage, I did it, and I feel like a free man.....

supernoodle

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Re: Release problems,help needed.
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2007, 10:47:16 AM »
That may not be such a good thing with me as I have "Pathetic" wrists and without it I would struggle to keep my wrist from braking even with the lightest of balls.


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I would have got away with it if it was not for those pesky kids (Behind my lane) and those blasted 10 pins.

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Re: Release problems,help needed.
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2007, 11:43:28 AM »
Using a brace is much different than without one since most of them forces you to turn your hand automatically. Which in some cases will cause you to turn it too early or too much.

I don't use a brace anymore but when I did and was having similar problems of coming too much around the ball I would try to throw a small backup ball. Because of the brace throwing a backup ball is extremely difficult the ball would actually come out of my hand not as a backup ball but with a small amount of correct axis rotation. It was a way of "tricking" my body to do something correctly.

supernoodle

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Re: Release problems,help needed.
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2007, 01:18:14 PM »
Yeah I know what you mean about that,I think the problem will be in trying to get the "Muscle Memory" as not bowling on a regular basis I tend to "Forget" anything I teach myself very quickly.

Thats why I was interested in seeing if there was something I could do at home.That way I could ingrain these things into my system much easier.
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I would have got away with it if it was not for those pesky kids (Behind my lane) and those blasted 10 pins.
I would have got away with it if it was not for those pesky kids (Behind my lane) and those blasted 10 pins.

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Re: Release problems,help needed.
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2007, 02:55:26 PM »
I don't think it's a brace/no brace issue.

I don't use a brace and my release is a little different every time I go bowling. Just last week I had a nice clean release with nice axis turn and a decent amount of hand and shot a 249. Then I went the same week and had an awful release, my thumb was hanging up w/ too much axis turn and no hand. I think most of us is in the same boat as you if we want to admit to it or not Personally I would have to bowl at least 3 times a week to get my release any more consistent.

supernoodle

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Re: Release problems,help needed.
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2007, 03:18:34 PM »
Ok,thanks for the help DC,I'll give it a go and I'll post how I get on.




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I would have got away with it if it was not for those pesky kids (Behind my lane) and those blasted 10 pins.
I would have got away with it if it was not for those pesky kids (Behind my lane) and those blasted 10 pins.

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Re: Release problems,help needed.
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2007, 03:24:10 PM »
You can take this advise with a grain of salt supernoodle,but I also have an inconsistent release and the thing I practiced at home was the old towel trick.It's where you take a towel and tuck it into you armpit.Next you take your ball and just practice swinging it.The towel should stay in place if your arm is staying in the correct position.I've found that the excercise will help build some strength in your arm and wrist and you can practice with or without the wristguard.I agree with the other poster who told you to throw the wristguard away.The problem I had with the one I used to wear was it made me squeeze the ball more which can also cause you to lose leverage and rotation.
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supernoodle

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Re: Release problems,help needed.
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2007, 04:27:10 PM »
Thanks,I'll also give that a go.
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I would have got away with it if it was not for those pesky kids (Behind my lane) and those blasted 10 pins.
I would have got away with it if it was not for those pesky kids (Behind my lane) and those blasted 10 pins.

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Re: Release problems,help needed.
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2007, 12:54:29 AM »
One more thing to consider would be the pitches in your thumb hole.  I used to "top" the ball as a result of squeezing.  Because of the anatomy of my hand, I found after considerable experimentation that I had too much reverse pitch, as well as too much palm pitch.  I had so much trouble staying under and behind the ball with my hand, that I decided to make a change.

I moved slowly from 3/8 reverse and 3/8 palm pitch to 1/4 forward and 1/8 away pitch.  Now I have no trouble staying under and behind the ball without squeezing the hell out of it, and with practice I have developed a much cleaner release.  The result is more speed and power at the pins than I ever had before I learned about thumb pitches.

By the way I do wear a brace, the Eagle 3 adjustable brace.  It is very restrictive to someone who isn't used to it, but because I have used the same one for so long, I have learned to adjust release types with and without adjusting the amount of cup on the brace.

I have a feeling that if I moved even more forward with my thumb pitch and possibly even more away, I might be able to ditch the brace and get similar ball reaction, but I don't want to spend hundreds of dollars to change out all of my equipment when what I do now is pretty effective.

Everyone is different, so what I did may or may not work for you, but it is one more variable to play with if the mood so strikes you.
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Re: Release problems,help needed.
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2007, 06:28:30 AM »
I use to have the same problem. I got rid of those braces that fit around your thumb. I switch to Master wristlet. All it does is give you a little support for your wrist. I notice a big improvement in my release. I am staying more behind the ball than coming around. Plus the Master wristlet doesn't cost much. Get one of these and let us know if your release got better.