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Release/follow through question.
« on: May 14, 2012, 11:06:11 AM »
Over the past few years I have seen more younger bowlers after they release the ball they follow through across the body to the left side of their head (right handers). I was always taught to follow through to your target. Is this the new way that is being taught? What is the benefit if any of it? Remember I have not been bowling for a few years myself, I have seen this while taken my son bowling and watching other kids. Now I am not saying that this is wrong or terrible so don't rip on me for that. I am just wondering is all.

 

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Re: Release/follow through question.
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2012, 11:19:01 AM »
I noticed a couple of the young ladies (especially the one from Wichita State) in the college singles championships was doing the same thing.
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Re: Release/follow through question.
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2012, 11:50:31 AM »
The modern style bowler drops his shoulder and tilts his body to keep the elbow inside of the hand, the forearm straight and the hand inside of the ball. the follow through can come directly through the face which is straight or slightly accross the face depending on the amount of turn at release.

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Re: Release/follow through question.
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2012, 01:50:12 PM »
I have noticed that. But is it something that is now being taught to do? Why all of a sudden is it almost the norm with the younger players?

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Re: Release/follow through question.
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2012, 02:07:50 PM »
True/pure strokers are in the endangered list.

It'll become a style known mostly used for seniors or women.

Let's keep it alive!!:D
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Re: Release/follow through question.
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2012, 03:12:14 PM »
True/pure strokers are in the endangered list.

It'll become a style known mostly used for seniors or women.

Let's keep it alive!!:D

Yes, it's being taught.  Go to Mo Pinel's site.  Go to Slowiinsky's site and look up the "swing slot". 
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Re: Release/follow through question.
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2012, 04:31:46 PM »
I think the important thing is to remember that we all cannot bowl the same way. Some of us are tall, some short, some are quite flexible, while others are not, some have slower feet, some faster, you get the idea.

If your mechanics are sound your ability to repeat shots will be enhanced. Therein lies the secret to great scores. Just bowl like you do and take your chances...


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Re: Release/follow through question.
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2012, 03:03:54 AM »
I've met MP in WA, full of knowledge, talks a lot if he likes you...I've read a lot of JS's articles over the years, even the "swing slot". JS uses CB and TJ as models for his article. likewise, the revisited version with DW as a model for his swing slot. CB and DW are tweener/power stroker. If I remember correctly, (it's been a while since I read his articles on the "swing slot"), in the swing slot "Revisited" article, he talks about PDW, SR, when he describes the shoulder dip - power players.

I see pure stroker types, like a DO, BV, and CDB having a different approach/finish to/at the line. Less dip. And, the difference with DO BV and CDB..they don't lead with their non bowling arms (thumb down) like TJ SR CB or like PDW who are not "pure" strokers.....



True/pure strokers are in the endangered list.

It'll become a style known mostly used for seniors or women.

Let's keep it alive!!:D

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Re: Release/follow through question.
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2012, 04:09:42 AM »
IMHO, this is a consequential development, when "hook" becomes more relevant than "accuracy", for whatever reason. While I won't 'condemn' this style, it is either the result of trying to create more (side) rotation, or it is the consequence of "full body motion", as someone stated. But I am not certain if it is a real style (to be tought), or rather a flaw that creeps into one's game?
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Re: Release/follow through question.
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2012, 08:04:28 AM »
It's hardly a "flaw".  Like notclay stated, there is more than one way to skin a cat and consistency and repeatability are the keys.  Don't try to be something you're not. That being said, the game has changed and continues to change, like it or not. Power players who drop their shoulder, two-handers, etc are the folks who score today. I had the great pleasure of meeting and taking a clinic with the late Bill Taylor. "stand tall" and "point to the wall" Bill Taylor. This was over ten years ago and when Tommy Jones had just started on tour. Bill's opinion was his way was the "right way" and was voicing his dissappointment that Tommy Jones had just beaten Brian Voss, who in his mind was the superior player. He told me that Tommy Jones would never be more than a journeyman player with his style. Now I am a Voss fan of both the style and the person but I think Tommy Jones has turned out to be more than just a journeyman player.
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Re: Release/follow through question.
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2012, 08:55:50 AM »
Matt Mcneil who is the USBC champion in his videos does this on the left side, he looks real good doing it.  So does Ryan Ciminelli.

Mike Fagan does this at the beginning of the release and then goes back out for the final finish position.

I don't understand it except for the fact that they probably have less under palm  lateral thumb pitch than their anatomy calls for.

It seems to work real well in this more varied modern game for some!

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Re: Release/follow through question.
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2012, 09:13:59 AM »
I noticed this watching one of the tournaments on tv. Can not recall who was bowling but I could predict strikes by the follow through. Rash may have been one of the bowlers.  It seemed to me that when the follow through was over exaggerated right to left, rather than up through the ball, bad things happened.

I have seen articles about the figure eight armswing and it seems to be a reduced version of this across the body release.

Some bowlers are intentionally limiting the follow through.  In the end, its all about repeating shots.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2012, 09:16:21 AM by ccrider »

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Re: Release/follow through question.
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2012, 01:21:01 PM »
The modern style bowler drops his shoulder and tilts his body to keep the elbow inside of the hand, the forearm straight and the hand inside of the ball. the follow through can come directly through the face which is straight or slightly accross the face depending on the amount of turn at release.

I wanted to add that a key part of the armswing across the body is these players are keeping their hips open. With the hips open and shoulder dropped their body is out of the way allowing them to have a free armswing.

I've been a classic style bowler forever and was always told I had a pretty free armswing. I worked with Steve Kloempken last August and he recommended I change to being more open with my hips and my armswing coming across my body like that. He said I was actually too closed at the line. Trying this change freed up my armswing so much more I was 20-21mph at the pins where I was 16.5-17.5 before. We ended up shortening my approach and lowering my pushaway a little to get my ballspeed back down to where it should be. I decided to stay with that change because of how much further it freed up my armswing and it's been a good change for me. I don't rev the ball anymore than before, everything is just more free and requires less effort - a good thing IMO.

I've never been afraid to try different things to see if it improves my game. I keep the things I like and discard the things I don't. Is this style for everyone though? No. Hank Boomershine said at a clinic I was at if there was an ideal way to bowl every PBA player would have the same game.
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Re: Release/follow through question.
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2012, 01:37:01 PM »
Over the past few years I have seen more younger bowlers after they release the ball they follow through across the body to the left side of their head (right handers). I was always taught to follow through to your target. Is this the new way that is being taught? What is the benefit if any of it? Remember I have not been bowling for a few years myself, I have seen this while taken my son bowling and watching other kids. Now I am not saying that this is wrong or terrible so don't rip on me for that. I am just wondering is all.

This is the part I haven't seen explained. It basically states the bowler's right hand after their release is over their left shoulder. Would a release like this be close to a spin.

I have seen bowlers release late and their hand is over the ball as they release with their arm extended over the lane.
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Re: Release/follow through question.
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2012, 01:51:59 PM »
Me either. As I posted before, the young lady from Wichita State who was in the Singles that was televised recently was bringing her arm across like she was trying to start a lawnmower.

Not just dropping her shoulder and bringing her arm up in front of her face. It was a very distinct right to left movement of her arm after the release.

Over the past few years I have seen more younger bowlers after they release the ball they follow through across the body to the left side of their head (right handers). I was always taught to follow through to your target. Is this the new way that is being taught? What is the benefit if any of it? Remember I have not been bowling for a few years myself, I have seen this while taken my son bowling and watching other kids. Now I am not saying that this is wrong or terrible so don't rip on me for that. I am just wondering is all.

This is the part I haven't seen explained. It basically states the bowler's right hand after their release is over their left shoulder. Would a release like this be close to a spin.

I have seen bowlers release late and their hand is over the ball as they release with their arm extended over the lane.

"If guns kill people, do pencils misspell words?"

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