Author Topic: How about this league ruling? (Read 994 times)

Strapper_Squared · « **on:** April 10, 2012, 07:46:00 PM »

Bowled in a non-competitive work league this year. Handicap league, where it was common to see 150+ pins per game given/received (4 person teams). Handicap is 90% of the difference between total team averages. At the end of the year, it turned out that four teams were near the top within 3 points of one another. So, during the last week, position round, there was a possibility that any one of the teams could win. As luck would have it, two teams ended up tied for the title. But, it ended up being the first place team (who split with the second place team) and the fourth place team who swept the third place team. Equal win/loss point totals.

So the league rules state that in the place of a tie, the winner is determined by total team pins. A liberal interpretation of the rule was taken by the secretary, decided to use total team pins for the roll-off night only (rather than the entire season... as one might expect). But on top of this interpretation, the secretary decided also to "recalculate" handicaps for the night, as if the first place team and the fourth place team had been bowling against each other. The result was an additional 200 pins given to the fourth place team, overtop of the 150 pins they "earned" for their match against the third place team. The first place team had zero handicap for their original games and obviously zero handicap in the "total pins" recalculation when compared against the fourth place team.

End result, fourth place team won the league by ~ 150 pins... but with the benefit of a 350 pin handicap for the night.

I happened to be on the "first" place team that lost. Really don't care as its only a fun work league, but thought it was an interesting interpretation of the league rule.

Thoughts? Comments?

S^2

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

Juggernaut · « **Reply #1 on:** April 10, 2012, 09:58:34 PM »

Actually went through this same thing a few years back, and found out that you CANNOT use the total pins to determine the winner.

Even if the leafue has that rule, the league rules CANNOT over ride the USBC rules, and rule 113 says:

Rule 113 – Playoffs/Special Contests

113a. Definition

A playoff is a separate competition conducted to determine league champions and/or break ties in the league standings. Unless league rules allow for co-champions, a playoff must be conducted:

1. To determine the champion when a tie exists for first place at the end of the league schedule.

2. To determine a champion when the league bowls a split season.

3. To determine first place when a tie occurs in any segment of a split season.

4. When the league decides to break a tie for any other position.

Scores bowled which qualify for USBC awards will be recognized.

NOTE: Total pins for the season or team average cannot break position standing ties at the conclusion of the season, or at the end of any segment of a split season schedule.

Commonly Asked Questions – Rule 113a. 113a/1

If the league rules state no substitutes will be permitted the final two weeks of the schedule, can a substitute be used in the playoff?

A playoff is not considered part of the last two weeks of the schedule. If substitutes are permitted during the regular season, they would be acceptable as eligible players unless a league rule specifically states that substitutes are not permitted in the playoff.

113a/2

When there is a tie for the league championship, can a league adopt a rule stating total pins for the season will break the tie?

No, according to the information located in Rule 113a (note box), total pins for the season cannot be used to break a tie for any place in the position standings. A league may adopt a rule to allow for co-champions, thus eliminating the need for a playoff, but not one that would use total pins.

Position standings are determined on the basis of games or points won during the season in actual competition. Rule 113a, Item 1 states, a tie for first place must be decided with a playoff unless the rules allow for co-champions. Rule 113a, Item 4, provides a playoff must be conducted when a league decides to break a tie for any other position.

This is straight from the online rulebook at bowl.com.

_______________________________________________________________________
"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein
_______________________________________________________________________

Strapper_Squared · « **Reply #2 on:** April 10, 2012, 11:15:49 PM »

Didn't know about that rule. Unfortunately, this is a non-sanctioned league so rules are made up as they go...

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

Pinbuster · « **Reply #3 on:** April 11, 2012, 10:19:31 AM »

Well since the handicap is the difference between team averages if you were going to consider total score on the last night then you would have to adjust their score because the difference between your team average and the 3rd place team they were bowling that night.

And since you are the high average team in the league their handicap would go up.

If you considered season total pins the higher average team would always win.

Leagues like this you just have to roll with the punches. But because of that I don't bowl in them.

ccrider · « **Reply #4 on:** April 11, 2012, 11:18:25 AM »

I do not read the rule to prohibit the use of total pins during the roll off. It says for the season. So how does this violate USBC rules?

Those that can do. Those that can't complain. Pimpin ain't easy, but it's mandatory.

Most things we like, we don't need. Most things we need, we don't like. Don't confuse your likes with your needs.

Djarum · « **Reply #5 on:** April 11, 2012, 12:07:05 PM »

It really depends on the league. Our league clearly stated no substitutions two weeks before and including position rounds AND subsequent playoff if needed, since we had a two semester league and winner from the first half would bowl against the winner of the team of the second half.

My understanding about many of the USBC rules is that if the league rules don't have stipulations regarding certain things, then the USBC rules are then adopted.

trash heap · « **Reply #6 on:** April 11, 2012, 12:31:59 PM »

And that's why a league should be sanction. I understand there are problems in sanctioned leagues, but things can get out of hand in a non-sanction league (obviously in your case). I have been in these leagues to. Usually non sanction leagues has a small group that runs the league. They interpret the rules to their liking, and then tell you "it's common sense".

Strapper_Squared wrote on 4/10/2012 9:15 PM:
Didn't know about that rule. Unfortunately, this is a non-sanctioned league so rules are made up as they go...

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

dmonroe814 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 11, 2012, 02:30:09 PM »

With an unsanctioned league, you are hosed.

I had a chance to sub on a day that I was off work, but the opposing team was able to veto it because my average was too high.

Author Topic: How about this league ruling? (Read 994 times)

Strapper_Squared

How about this league ruling?

Juggernaut

Re: How about this league ruling?

Strapper_Squared

Re: How about this league ruling?

Pinbuster

Re: How about this league ruling?

ccrider

Re: How about this league ruling?

Djarum

Re: How about this league ruling?

trash heap

Re: How about this league ruling?

dmonroe814

Re: How about this league ruling?