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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: xrayjay on March 12, 2014, 12:21:43 PM
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We've all heard about maxi bob, rash, Belmo, and others when it comes to RPM's.... what about ND, WRW, BV, Carolyn Ballard, etc.....what are their rev rates?
Also, can someone below 275 rpm be successful in today's PBA? I mean these people before mentioned, all have multiple titles. But, there are very few "new strokers" coming up nowadays. Will these "strokers" be found only in leagues?
Plus, IMHO, several ball companies in the future (except Storm) would rather have the power players/crankers throwing their ball because it's more "awsome" to see the big hooker. (no, not the ones here on Stockton BLVD.) Instead of the down and in pure stroker player.
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Most stokers tend to be around 275 up to 325rpm, I know Duke is right around 300rpm. Personally I believe that strokers have the best style of bowling due to their consistency and predictability. At my closest lanes I am starting to see more and more "power players", but the stoker will never die out.
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Strokers are here to stay, but in the future, I think there'll be less of them on TV. I see kids, including mine, want to throw like Belmo. well, at least my kid puts two finger in :D
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It's due to the excess of higher rev rates that make it difficult for the lower rev rates, i.e. what happens to the front part of the lane creating extreme angles
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...less of them on TV...
That seems to apply to all bowling styles. ;D Just sayin...
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...less of them on TV...
hahaha....true
That seems to apply to all bowling styles. ;D Just sayin...
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It's due to the excess of higher rev rates that make it difficult for the lower rev rates, i.e. what happens to the front part of the lane creating extreme angles
true too
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It has less to do with ability and more about limitations created by the playing field
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It has less to do with ability and more about limitations created by the playing field
This....
In longer formats, the strokers have no where to go. They don't have the rotation/revs to move in deep and carry. The ones that can maintain carry the longest will have the most success. That is why you see so many high rev bowlers doing so well now.
If the condition had more head oil so the strokers could stay outside longer, you would see more of them on TV.
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Strokers aren't going anywhere, but I agree with the statement that they will be limited in longer format tournaments where the big handed guys can chew a hole in the pattern where the straighter guys get stuck with what's left.
Not everybody can rip it with one or two hands, so they will always be there. Also, there are conditions where straight is always better.
As far as tournaments go, strokers are going to be like lefties. Either they have something or they shouldn't have walked in the door.
To expand on this topic....what does this mean for tweeners?
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Tweeners, aren't they
To expand on this topic....what does this mean for tweeners?
Tweener types are the most Versatile of the group. Most can deal with a lot of situations they face. I think it pays to be a tweener lol
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Tweeners tend to get caught one way or another usually in the wrong way...not enough revs or too much speed thus either the ball reading too early or not at all
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Tweeners tend to get caught one way or another usually in the wrong way...not enough revs or too much speed thus either the ball reading too early or not at all
Id consider myself a tweener and thats exactly what happens to me.
Ball either jumps off the spot or pushes straight through the breakpoint. Hard to find an in between.
Noticed it last night when my pair had a PBA tour player and 4 crankers on it. That'll kill a pair real quick.
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Tweeners tend to get caught one way or another usually in the wrong way...not enough revs or too much speed thus either the ball reading too early or not at all
I'm a borderline tweener (getting old) and I'm afraid that the game is going to go to extremes. As a tweener, you'll always have to play your B game, either trying to hit/swing it more than you're comfortable doing or fighting your release playing straight up the lane.
I'm actually better and knuckle/pointing it than I am swinging the lane. I'll be interested to see how the first few tournaments go later this year.
One good thing is that I feel like I know equipment well enough to counteract some of it, but won't know until I know.
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Look at Walter Ray.
At South Point he can barely cause a ripple. Comes the USBC masters he is incredible.
I believe just like in Golf there are horses for courses and courses for horses!
Southpoint seems to like guys that can cover some boards. I wouldn't call Wes Mallott a cranker. Other houses love straighter is better.
I think the disappearance of the stroker is only caused by the consolidation of the tour schedule with so much of it happening at Las Vegas Southpoint!
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Tweeners tend to get caught one way or another usually in the wrong way...not enough revs or too much speed thus either the ball reading too early or not at all
Id consider myself a tweener and thats exactly what happens to me.
Ball either jumps off the spot or pushes straight through the breakpoint. Hard to find an in between.
Noticed it last night when my pair had a PBA tour player and 4 crankers on it. That'll kill a pair real quick.
This proves how little I know about the game lol
I've always thought tweeners, like CB, could adjust and deal with different situations. Play deep when he needs to and play outside when he needs to; slow down or go fast; etc.....
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CB's rev rate is higher than you think it is.
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Barnes rev rate is easily 400+
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So bowlers are labeled by their revrate?
so that makes CB a cranker?
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I didn't put any label on him, but yes, the labels pretty much now refer to rev rate instead of style.
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If CB is a tweener then there are only 5-6 crankers on tour.
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Barnes' revrate is north of 400+, hard to tell because he's end over end so you don't see a huge change of direction.
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Where does Wes Mallot fall into this? I guess his a cranker then.....
If they go by revrate, then shouldn't there be 4 or more catagories to Label bowlers.
Norm Duke, if he has more than 300 or more revs, then he must be a tweener or power stroker...no?
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300 is way below average on tour. Malott's rev rate is lower than Barnes.
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Keep in mind that when Barnes is on TV he is usually playing straighter and not getting on it very much.
You need to go watch a Tour event to truly appreciate the rev rates these guys have with such little effort. TV doesn't do a lot of guys justice.
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Keep in mind that when Barnes is on TV he is usually playing straighter and not getting on it very much.
You need to go watch a Tour event to truly appreciate the rev rates these guys have with such little effort. TV doesn't do a lot of guys justice.
Yeah if you watch coverage of say qualifying, you see a lot more hook out of them than you do on TV. Especially after the lanes are a few games old.
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Saw PDW and RS in Tacoma, WA several years ago, it's crazy how easy they make it look. Even with WW, I bowled in the same league he did and he average like 245'ish (acually the last time I saw the league print out in the middle of the season, it was like 250!!)...the amount of hand he gets is amazing.
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I'd say the only guy out there who flirts with being right at 300 rpm is Haugen and even then I'd lean towards him being above that.
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Classifying bowlers by rev rate is easier today to an extent
Cranker is an olde mentality of a bowler that really tries to turn the ball or crank on it...the newer term would be crow barring it
High rev players are no longer deemed crankers due to how they release the ball and the ease for most
Barnes rev rate is deceiving as are a few of them and Malott is similar to Fagan that their bowling balls tend to respond to friction faster due to the rotation