Author Topic: Revs,matter of strength or timing? (Read 2276 times)

supernoodle · « **on:** October 06, 2008, 09:41:33 AM »

I am at best a low end tweener but most would say i'm a stroker. I am short and slim-ish and I have a lot of trouble/weakness with my wrists,so much so that I can't bowl unless I have a solid wrist brace on (Currently using a Z-Loc 2).

Now I have seen both short,tall,fat and thin bowlers able to get a decent amount of revs,however none of them have ever worn a brace. Now a few years earlier I was having this discussion with the Pro shop owner and he said that getting a decent amount of revs/good side rotation has nothing to do with strength but everything to do with timing.

I myself think that strength (Especially in the forearms and wrists) is the key. What do you think is more important and why?
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KingofKings696 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 06, 2008, 05:45:11 PM »

I definitly think timing has more to do with revs that strength(I am very strong in the forearms and used to throw pretty low revs like yourself however after working with coaches I have found my timing was WAY off and now I have increased my ball speed and revs simply by getting in time which allowed me to take muscle out and has helped more than anything I could of imagined heck now all my equipment is almost too strong.

no300tj · « **Reply #2 on:** October 06, 2008, 06:07:07 PM »

It seems to me, the later my timing, the more leverage I create. I'm not any stronger, just more feel of the ball getting heavy as it clears my hand.

Xcessive_Evil · « **Reply #3 on:** October 06, 2008, 06:11:20 PM »

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It seems to me, the later my timing, the more leverage I create.

Same here. I also went from holding the ball next to my hip, to holding the ball up just below my shoulder, which has increased my speed a little as well.
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bluerrpilot · « **Reply #4 on:** October 06, 2008, 06:32:13 PM »

Revs = Good hand/finger position and good timing at the point of release.
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supernoodle · « **Reply #5 on:** October 06, 2008, 07:31:19 PM »

One of the things that has been commented on is that my hand does come around the side of the ball a bit early,however in the past when I have tried to rectify it I have tended to come through the back of the ball a lot (ala Walter Ray) but with little ide rotation.

Ideally I would like to have a good balance between side/forward roll in order to a) Get a good starting base and b) To get more consistency as when I do bowl (Injury/illness has meant little bowling over the last few years and at best was only once per week) the major weakness I have is that my release is very inconsistent to the point where I do not know how I am going to release the ball from week to week until I start practice play.

Some weeks its good and I'll usually bowl a 700 and on others I have an inconsistent/flimsy release and I'll struggle to bowl more than 2 strikes in a row. (Probably why I have a good spare game)

I know that If I want to get my average up to the 225-230 mark I need more consistency with my release,I just think that my feeble wrists/forearms are to blame.
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charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** October 06, 2008, 07:46:56 PM »

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One of the things that has been commented on is that my hand does come around the side of the ball a bit early,however in the past when I have tried to rectify it I have tended to come through the back of the ball a lot (ala Walter Ray) but with little ide rotation.

Ideally I would like to have a good balance between side/forward roll in order to a) Get a good starting base and b) To get more consistency as when I do bowl (Injury/illness has meant little bowling over the last few years and at best was only once per week) the major weakness I have is that my release is very inconsistent to the point where I do not know how I am going to release the ball from week to week until I start practice play.

Some weeks its good and I'll usually bowl a 700 and on others I have an inconsistent/flimsy release and I'll struggle to bowl more than 2 strikes in a row. (Probably why I have a good spare game)

I know that If I want to get my average up to the 225-230 mark I need more consistency with my release,I just think that my feeble wrists/forearms are to blame.
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I would have got away with it if it was not for those pesky kids (Behind my lane) and those blasted 10 pins.

You need a coach to watch you. You cannot NOT know how you are going to release the ball.
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JD74 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 06, 2008, 08:33:01 PM »

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Revs = Good hand/finger position and good timing at the point of release.
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There's your answer right there, I only weigh about 135 and Im not strong but have around 500 rpms, of course I throw 2 handed but not the point. Its all about being smooth and having good timing and release at the bottom of the swing.
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supernoodle · « **Reply #8 on:** October 06, 2008, 08:37:35 PM »

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You need a coach to watch you. You cannot NOT know how you are going to release the ball.

Well unless you are going to fly over to England and help me free of charge thats a no-go. Unfortunately my funds are v.limited (My new Cell was my first new ball purchase for 5 years) so I can't afford to get a coach. Its not like the States over here. Where as in the US there are multitude of coaches at each alley who don't charge the earth,over here its hard to a) Find a decent coach and b) One that I am not going to need to take out a bank loan to pay.

I did ask the team England manager for some help but he was too interested in a guy in my league who has a ton of revs but not much else and averages LESS than me.

What I might do is if/when I am healthy enough,is to get hold of a video camera and video myself. When I did that many years ago,it was quite revealing and I think I will be better served in watching it this time around as I am a much better and much more knowledgeable bowler.
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charlest · « **Reply #9 on:** October 06, 2008, 08:45:21 PM »

Sorry about that, supernoodle.

WHen I said "coach", in reality, anyone, preferably a bowler, with a sharp pair of eyes could help you. He has to know what he sees and you have to trust him, of course.

Didn't remember you were from "across the pond".

FYI I have a close friend who averages 215 - 220 most places and he does vary his release Quite a bit, but keeps the ball in play at all times.

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Edited on 10/6/2008 8:46 PM

MaidenheadBandit · « **Reply #10 on:** October 07, 2008, 04:27:07 AM »

Hi mate,

To the original question its more timing but strength is an added bonus....
With your solid game you dont need much more...

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CharlieBrown · « **Reply #11 on:** October 07, 2008, 06:37:47 AM »

Hey supernoodle,

Never met you before but we did exchange a few PMs back in 2005, so itâ€™s good to see you back at ballreviews.

Iâ€™m 5â€™6, 135 lbs. My main problem is that I have more speed than revs and lots of forward rolls hence not a lot of back-end. (i.e., Water Ray!)

Iâ€™d like to have more side rotation so the backend reaction would be more drastic, and I believe this would help me to exploit the soft house shot better. With forward rolls, I have to be very accurate in order to score well. (My spare game also needs work)

Iâ€™d be happy to have 350rpm and be able to change axis rotation (10 â€“ 90 degrees).

Let me know if youâ€™ve found the secret ingredient, cos I sure need help!

Good luck!

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azus · « **Reply #12 on:** October 07, 2008, 11:12:39 AM »

There a fine line of balance between strentght and timing to create revs. You must have the muscles to acchive the wanted movement with the wrist and elbow, and you must have a good timing to launch the ball at the right time.

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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #13 on:** October 07, 2008, 11:25:47 AM »

JD74....actually it may be the point.....most two handers have over 200 rpm more revs than they do 1 handed!

Not all.

BUT it is ALL..... techninque.

I've seen toothpicks with 500 rpms and muscle heads with 100.

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mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #14 on:** October 07, 2008, 01:16:12 PM »

I have to agree and disagree somewhat with everything said so far, Revs are generated by proper timing and leg strength.

As an experiment just walk up and throw the ball if your timing is somewhat close you will still get decent revs on the ball. Now add your legs in the equation and you will get your full rotation and proper lift through the ball.

This is the method's taught to me by Billy Hall and Paul Renteria a 2 time High Roller champ that was Idolized by a young Robert Smith. Paul generates around 500 rpms still and when he was younger was in the mid 600's like Robert.

Timing and Leg strength promote revs and ball projection down lane to a break point, I have a bad left knee so I prefer late timing to get more lift on the ball. Even with bad wheels I am able to generate 330 or so revs on the ball, I do however use a Ebonite Striker brace and for me it helps. Without the Brace I get carpal tunnel type pain and finger pain for whatever reason, so for comfort reasons it works for me.

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