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BiGtYmEr300

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RG and Differential numbers??
« on: December 07, 2010, 07:43:46 PM »
Basically, my understanding is that the higher the differential, the more the ball is going to flare down the lane. Also, the lower the RG, the more massive the core is in the center of the ball. Am I correct in assuming those two things?? How do each of these numbers and the combinations of these two numbers affect ball reaction?(i.e. a 2.57/0.057 high performance ball vs a 2.46/0.043 high performance ball)

What about the intermediate differential? How does this number affect ball reaction? How does this number relate to RG and Differential?(i.e. a 2.50/0.060/0.016 high performance ball vs. a 2.48/0.058/0.024 high performance ball)

Are these numbers even important enough for me to be quibbling over when choosing a ball?(i.e. Is a Roto Grip Theory, which is 2.49/0.058/0.013, that much different from a Storm Invasion, which is 2.48/0.057/0.017...??

I am really having a hard time putting this all together. What i'm looking for here is a general baseline as to what each of these numbers(indvidually and combined) should tell me about a given ball. I won't even ask about coverstock, because i'm even more confused there. Any help is appreciated. THX


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Re: RG and Differential numbers??
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2010, 04:21:44 AM »
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Are these numbers even important enough for me to be quibbling over when choosing a ball?(i.e. Is a Roto Grip Theory, which is 2.49/0.058/0.013, that much different from a Storm Invasion, which is 2.48/0.057/0.017...??



Spend more time reading the manufacture intent of the ball and the covers purpose. The core is to aid the cover in that reaction. Those number all change after you put holes in the ball.

http://www.morichbowling.com/Drilling/The_Truth_about_Drilled_Balls.pdf

http://www.morichbowling.com/resources/DIFFERENTIAL_RATIO_with_Diagrams.pdf


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Edited on 12/8/2010 7:24 AM
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

dizzyfugu

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Re: RG and Differential numbers??
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2010, 07:05:57 AM »
In a very rough nutshell:

Core numbers are not the only thing about a ball. Most of its reaction comes from the coverstock and its preparation. The core is just a "motor" inside that can be tuned to save and deploy imparted energy in a certain way. The RG numbers give a vague indication what the core is capable of - but finally, you have to look at the whole cover/core/condition/player type picture.

RG:
Low numbers mean that the mass is "grouped" in the center, close to the rotational axis. The more mass is grouped in the center, the easier energy can be imparted to the whole ball and the quicker it is also bled, e .g. when the ball encounters friction. This can be both beneficial or a thing to worry about - a low RG is generally handy on long oil when you want the ball to roll even with low friction, a high RG can be useful to save energy for the back end.

RG differential:
The difference between RG min. and max., measured at an axis through the pin and the core center. Through instable rotational pin placement off of the preferred rotational axis of the core (PSA), which is at 90° to this pin axis, you determine how much the ball flares through the rotational forces which get the core back into its PSA. Sounds abstract, but that's what pin placement is for - the more instable the core, the more flare you create, which means the core has a longer way to move towards its PSA, and the stronger these forces work once the ball is rotating.
With flare, new/clean coverstock is exposed to the lane and creates friction, the ball depletes energy and once the ball is rolling at its PSA it has lost a lot of its "steam". an instable pin position can mean a lot of early hook, but also lots of energy depletion - doing too much can easily become detrimental for the ball's effectiveness!

RG asym. diff:
Similar to RG diff., but measured at 90° to the former axis, actually through the ball's PSA. The stronger/bigger the number, the more the ball wants to migrate towards its PSA - it makes the ball's reaction more defined, and from a certain "strength" on (say 0.01" or more) it is a force which actually can be exploited to fine-tune a ball's reaction. Again, this is neither good nor bad - it is IMHO an option if you exactly know which breakpoint shape you want, but you might sacrifice versatility.

Hope this helps - certainly not complete, but maybe it helps understanding the forces at work and how the numbers relate to them. Just remember: the core is not everything - look at the whole ball package and what you want from the piece.
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DukeHarding

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Re: RG and Differential numbers??
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2010, 08:45:40 AM »
quote:
In a very rough nutshell:

Core numbers are not the only thing about a ball. Most of its reaction comes from the coverstock and its preparation. The core is just a "motor" inside that can be tuned to save and deploy imparted energy in a certain way. The RG numbers give a vague indication what the core is capable of - but finally, you have to look at the whole cover/core/condition/player type picture.

RG:
Low numbers mean that the mass is "grouped" in the center, close to the rotational axis. The more mass is grouped in the center, the easier energy can be imparted to the whole ball and the quicker it is also bled, e .g. when the ball encounters friction. This can be both beneficial or a thing to worry about - a low RG is generally handy on long oil when you want the ball to roll even with low friction, a high RG can be useful to save energy for the back end.

RG differential:
The difference between RG min. and max., measured at an axis through the pin and the core center. Through instable rotational pin placement off of the preferred rotational axis of the core (PSA), which is at 90° to this pin axis, you determine how much the ball flares through the rotational forces which get the core back into its PSA. Sounds abstract, but that's what pin placement is for - the more instable the core, the more flare you create, which means the core has a longer way to move towards its PSA, and the stronger these forces work once the ball is rotating.
With flare, new/clean coverstock is exposed to the lane and creates friction, the ball depletes energy and once the ball is rolling at its PSA it has lost a lot of its "steam". an instable pin position can mean a lot of early hook, but also lots of energy depletion - doing too much can easily become detrimental for the ball's effectiveness!

RG asym. diff:
Similar to RG diff., but measured at 90° to the former axis, actually through the ball's PSA. The stronger/bigger the number, the more the ball wants to migrate towards its PSA - it makes the ball's reaction more defined, and from a certain "strength" on (say 0.01" or more) it is a force which actually can be exploited to fine-tune a ball's reaction. Again, this is neither good nor bad - it is IMHO an option if you exactly know which breakpoint shape you want, but you might sacrifice versatility.

Hope this helps - certainly not complete, but maybe it helps understanding the forces at work and how the numbers relate to them. Just remember: the core is not everything - look at the whole ball package and what you want from the piece.
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dizzy,
Nice answer.
Pin placement is dependent on bowler PAP.
I used to bowl with an old great bowler, who always told the ball driller, he wanted the pin like "so and so's", so the ball will kick the 10 pin out.
He enver could understand the whole PAP thing.
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dizzyfugu

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Re: RG and Differential numbers??
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2010, 02:20:05 AM »
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dizzy,
Nice answer.
Pin placement is dependent on bowler PAP.
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Thank you - and good point with pin placement, too. Everything is relative to the player's PAP, so that "Pin next to ring finger and CG below" must not mean anything. It is probably a strong layout with the core in a very unstable position ("leverage"), but unless you know the PAP it just does not tell much, esp. about the ball's reaction.

You can have a ball drilled leverage (pin at 3 3/8") from PAP, but with a slight shift of the PAP the core can migrate towards the PAP from its instable position, which creates a very rolly, arcing recation instead of a big hook. Details are important, and, even though it is a repetition, the whole picture is to be taken into account, not just bare core numbers or just the layout.
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