Author Topic: RG Grenade and New Blue Hammer? (Read 4607 times)

DukeHarding · « **on:** June 18, 2011, 09:02:53 AM »

I just ordered a Blue Hammer from Buddies Pro Shop.

My pro shop didn't have them in yet...

What difference should I see between the two balls?

TIA,

Duke Harding

charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** June 20, 2011, 11:03:21 AM »

DukeHarding · « **Reply #2 on:** June 20, 2011, 11:16:04 AM »

Jeff, my ball driller, said it should be more rolly, the core is a modified Vibe core.

I'm going to use urethane the rest of the summer and probably next year.

He's been working with me to get my urethane release back. ... Told me last Friday that I probably threw 10,000 games with the release, and should not be hard to relearn.

Thanks for the BUMP.

charlest wrote on 6/20/2011 11:03 AM:ttt

Duke Harding

Juggernaut · « **Reply #3 on:** June 20, 2011, 11:31:11 AM »

MORE "ROLLY"?

Having thrown the Grenade I got last year, it's hard to feaature one being much more "rolly" than that thing is.

And the "urethane release" thing? That's a part of my problem. I was never fully able to get rid of that thing, and it has caused me FITS.

Believe it or not, I believe it will come back all by itsself, just pick up the urethane and don't put it down, and it WILL happen. When I first started using the Grenade, it didn't seem to want to carry the corners for crap, and didn't seem to hit very hard at all. Shortly thereafter, a teammate told me I was "knocking the crap out of it" at the bottom of the swing. Funny thing is, I had noticed that it (the Grenade) had really started to hit and carry. What I thought was a break in pperiod for the ball was actually a break in period on my old urethane release, and it came back all by itsself.

Good luck with your urethane. I liked mine, but have injured my elbow, and don't know if I'll ever have much use for it now.

DukeHarding wrote on 6/20/2011 11:16 AM:
Jeff, my ball driller, said it should be more rolly, the core is a modified Vibe core.

I'm going to use urethane the rest of the summer and probably next year.

He's been working with me to get my urethane release back. ... Told me last Friday that I probably threw 10,000 games with the release, and should not be hard to relearn.

Thanks for the BUMP.

charlest wrote on 6/20/2011 11:03 AM:ttt

Duke Harding

charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** June 20, 2011, 11:45:08 AM »

Duke & Juggs,

I also find it hard to believe the Blue Hammer will be more rolly than the Grenade. Some of that "impression" is based on the current review by BTM and some by the core numbers of the Blue Hammer. Also not sure how different the Grenade is from the Natural.

Juggs,

The Grenade cannot be as "rolly" as the Hype Urethane. The Hype rolled and rolled and rolled for me, and I used an extreme flippy drilling (For me). That core had a LOT of flare and that ball was old fashioned, hard as a rock urethane. I never did get a shine on that ball no matter how I tried and I tried every trick in my book, for weeks.

That said, I sincerely doubt I'll try any new urethane, pearl or solid. BECAUSE I am so happy with my Avalanche Urethane and the Desperado., Mostly the Avalanche. It gets serious length with real backend, such as I never saw from any other urethane in a long, long time. AND it carries. If anything the Desperado has ever more pin carry power but the Avalanche has more backend.

"None are so blind as those who will not see."

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Edited by charlest on 6/20/2011 at 11:46 AM

Cobalt Bomb · « **Reply #5 on:** June 20, 2011, 11:57:44 AM »

Having had several Grenades and 1 Blue Hammer, the biggest difference I can see is that the Blue Hammer is cleaner through the fronts and generally weaker overall at the same surface finish. With that being said, the Hammer still hits and carries well, but is better suited for dryer lane conditions than the Grenade. Also, it doesn't seem to bleed like the Natural or Grenade, a plus if you will be using it polished or at 4k.

The Grenade is still my favorite though

DukeHarding · « **Reply #6 on:** June 20, 2011, 12:10:48 PM »

Juggs,

I used my Grenade twice in league last year...It was about as "rolly" as my Mars.

They are both drilled pretty much the same way.

I carry the corners fine...My problem is if I forget it's urethane and overhit it...."Bucket practice".

I'm sure I'll pick up the urethane release again...

PAP:5-1/4, 1/8^

I'll do a comparison video, of the 2 urethane balls....when I get a Blue Hammer drilled up.

Hope your elbow heals quickly and completely.

How bad of a break did you have.

I had both my thumbs dislocated in an accident a few years ago (2008)....I'm finally about 95%. I'll be 65 in Jan., healing takes a little longer, the older we get.

Juggernaut wrote on 6/20/2011 11:31 AM: MORE "ROLLY"?

Having thrown the Grenade I got last year, it's hard to feaature one being much more "rolly" than that thing is.

And the "urethane release" thing? That's a part of my problem. I was never fully able to get rid of that thing, and it has caused me FITS.

Believe it or not, I believe it will come back all by itsself, just pick up the urethane and don't put it down, and it WILL happen. When I first started using the Grenade, it didn't seem to want to carry the corners for crap, and didn't seem to hit very hard at all. Shortly thereafter, a teammate told me I was "knocking the crap out of it" at the bottom of the swing. Funny thing is, I had noticed that it (the Grenade) had really started to hit and carry. What I thought was a break in pperiod for the ball was actually a break in period on my old urethane release, and it came back all by itsself.

Good luck with your urethane. I liked mine, but have injured my elbow, and don't know if I'll ever have much use for it now.

DukeHarding wrote on 6/20/2011 11:16 AM:
Jeff, my ball driller, said it should be more rolly, the core is a modified Vibe core.

I'm going to use urethane the rest of the summer and probably next year.

He's been working with me to get my urethane release back. ... Told me last Friday that I probably threw 10,000 games with the release, and should not be hard to relearn.

Thanks for the BUMP.

charlest wrote on 6/20/2011 11:03 AM:ttt

Duke Harding

Duke Harding

Edited by DukeHarding on 6/20/2011 at 12:34 PM

DukeHarding · « **Reply #7 on:** June 20, 2011, 12:12:38 PM »

charlest,

I was looking at the Avalanche urethane last year...passed on it....don't know if that was a mistake?

charlest wrote on 6/20/2011 11:45 AM: Duke & Juggs,

I also find it hard to believe the Blue Hammer will be more rolly than the Grenade. Some of that "impression" is based on the current review by BTM and some by the core numbers of the Blue Hammer. Also not sure how different the Grenade is from the Natural.

Juggs,

The Grenade cannot be as "rolly" as the Hype Urethane. The Hype rolled and rolled and rolled for me, and I used an extreme flippy drilling (For me). That core had a LOT of flare and that ball was old fashioned, hard as a rock urethane. I never did get a shine on that ball no matter how I tried and I tried every trick in my book, for weeks.

That said, I sincerely doubt I'll try any new urethane, pearl or solid. BECAUSE I am so happy with my Avalanche Urethane and the Desperado., Mostly the Avalanche. It gets serious length with real backend, such as I never saw from any other urethane in a long, long time. AND it carries. If anything the Desperado has ever more pin carry power but the Avalanche has more backend.

"None are so blind as those who will not see."
BowlingChat.net

Edited by charlest on 6/20/2011 at 11:46 AM

Duke Harding

charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** June 20, 2011, 01:47:09 PM »

Richard,

I get at least 5 feet more length, maybe more with the Avalanche than I did with the Hype. Hard to recall exactly because I never tried them at the same time. The Hype actually needed more oil, medium-light at a minimum because the cover was so grabby.

The AU is more like a polished solid resin (mild one, though) and the backend is like a strong arc, so it retains good energy even when I over hit it. Only when I don't catch it even a little bit of it, then it may not hook, but I see a lot of dry hereabouts. Only when the backend dry is really long and the rare time when I can actually see an overreaction from my SLingshot (very rare), then the AU will NOT oiverreact. My Slingshot and my AU are very similar.in the amount of oil (or lack thereof) that they handle. Both have a long high pin (5.25" - 5.5" pin to PAP) with CG stacked under the ring finger.

"None are so blind as those who will not see."

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DukeHarding · « **Reply #9 on:** June 20, 2011, 03:14:39 PM »

Jeff,

Thanks, I'll have to keep the AU in mind.

charlest wrote on 6/20/2011 1:47 PM: Richard,

I get at least 5 feet more length, maybe more with the Avalanche than I did with the Hype. Hard to recall exactly because I never tried them at the same time. The Hype actually needed more oil, medium-light at a minimum because the cover was so grabby.

The AU is more like a polished solid resin (mild one, though) and the backend is like a strong arc, so it retains good energy even when I over hit it. Only when I don't catch it even a little bit of it, then it may not hook, but I see a lot of dry hereabouts. Only when the backend dry is really long and the rare time when I can actually see an overreaction from my SLingshot (very rare), then the AU will NOT oiverreact. My Slingshot and my AU are very similar.in the amount of oil (or lack thereof) that they handle. Both have a long high pin (5.25" - 5.5" pin to PAP) with CG stacked under the ring finger.

"None are so blind as those who will not see."
BowlingChat.net

Duke Harding

DukeHarding · « **Reply #10 on:** July 12, 2011, 02:43:23 PM »

Blue Hammer: Lanemaster Burgundy pad, no polish

RotoGrip Grenade: Lanemaster Grey Pad, Valentino's Snake Polish

BLUE HAMMER

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SogVf1iZj2k

GRENADE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxbj5SImt_Y

Duke Harding

charlest · « **Reply #11 on:** July 12, 2011, 08:44:51 PM »

Richard,

When I click on your video urls, I get the YouTube black screen indicating an impending video, but neither one ever comes on. I see the snapshot on the side of each one, with your picture, but I get no video. This never happened before to me.

"None are so blind as those who will not see."

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Bowl_Freak · « **Reply #12 on:** July 12, 2011, 09:32:50 PM »

I was thinking of balling down this year to urethane and entry reactive to get my control back. I have a Desperado that i love. Drilled pin above bridge and mb under thumb. My question to you guys is what can i get to compliment that ball for the slightly higher volume shots but want to stay with urethane. I finished my season last yr shooting 7 out of 12 700s with the desperado playing roughly 10-5 and ball was money. Im bowling different house in summer and trying to play same line but ball doesnt finish as strong so im looking for a ball that will give me a little stronger look in BE. Would the Avalanche Urethane be good for giving me a little more BE. How is the Natural Pearl? Havent heard much on that ball. Also, what do you guys mean by urethane release??

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DukeHarding · « **Reply #13 on:** July 12, 2011, 10:52:04 PM »

Jeff,

Try this link:

http://www.youtube.com/user/dukeharding?feature=mhsn

PS: Don't know what the problem is?

charlest wrote on 7/12/2011 8:44 PM: Richard,

When I click on your video urls, I get the YouTube black screen indicating an impending video, but neither one ever comes on. I see the snapshot on the side of each one, with your picture, but I get no video. This never happened before to me.

"None are so blind as those who will not see."
BowlingChat.net

Duke Harding

Juggernaut · « **Reply #14 on:** July 12, 2011, 10:56:18 PM »

Links worked fine for me.

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