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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Rileybowler on June 12, 2017, 09:29:45 PM
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I was bowling senior league today and threw it appeared 3 beautiful shots and left 8 pins. I have heard that there is really nothing that you can do but was wondering if there is a standard adjustment to make for this.
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Check the rack.
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You don't make an adjustment
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Check the rack.
Good idea. What we don't know from this is was this flush in the pocket, a stone 8, swisher 8, etc. Was the head pin, 5-pin, or 8-pin offset? If could be the problem.
If the answer is no to all of those,
You don't make an adjustment
This is the right adjustment to make.
BL.
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Assuming they were dead flush, not half pocket where the ten pin went out late, there is no adjustment. The stone 8 is a fluke the cant be adjusted for.
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If I had a dollar every time I heard that..... I would be rich, lol. It's so frustrating to leave 2/3 stone 9 pins each game, it's so demoralizing.
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I had a 279 last last week at leagues with an 8 pin in the 5th frame. I didn't check the prior, I only noticed the head pin was tight just as my ball passed the spot down lane. This happened again in the 9th which I was able to catch.
I'm not sure if this related, but two times on the same left lane I had the head pin pop out of the deck for a dead wood in the same spot of the channel.
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For many years the solid 8 was considered the only true tap in bowling. I believe this is still a valid statement. The emergence of the solid 9 stems from the extreme entry angle of modern balls. The solid 7 is often the result of a slight bad rack. The solid 8 transcends ball technology. I left them with hard rubber balls, polyester balls, urethane balls and now with resin balls both 16 and 15 lbs.
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My 8 pin leaves are usually from a light pocket hit. The ball is deflected just a bit more from the head pin, which give it just enough angle when hitting the 5 pin to drive it(5 pin) in front of the 8 instead of taking it out. Another half board right, and the 7 pin would be there instead of the 8.
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Your 8s differ from the full flush hit solid 8.
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Not enough "Continuation"!!! ::) ;) ;D
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Your 8s differ from the full flush hit solid 8.
So if a 9 is left when a ball has too steep of an entry angle, thus driving right past the 9 pin instead of hitting it, wouldn't 8 pins be left due to light hits and/or too shallow of an entry angle?
Either way, the ball doesn't hit the 5 pin correctly, which means it deflected off the head pin or just didn't get to the correct spot on the pin deck.
Of course, assuming the rack wasn't the problem.
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Not enough "Continuation"!!! ::) ;) ;D
Which ironically, is true. :o ;D
Now, if you just bought this latest new ball, the (fill in the blank staffer), you would never leave an 8 pin again. It's a must have in your bag. ;D
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On just about every solid 8 you see a replay of the 2 pin hits the 5 before the ball and the 5 is chopped behind the 8 instead of into it.
Right handers, if they check the rack, usually don't look at the 2 pin or don't show much concern if the headpin is left. But don't be the guy that reracks in league, especially a handicap league.
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On just about every solid 8 you see a replay of the 2 pin hits the 5 before the ball and the 5 is chopped behind the 8 instead of into it.
Right handers, if they check the rack, usually don't look at the 2 pin or don't show much concern if the headpin is left. But don't be the guy that reracks in league, especially a handicap league.
Interesting, so what exactly makes the 2 pin deflect to the right when a right hander is bowling? The head pin?
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yes
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yes
So the ball hits the head pin in such a manner that it drives it more in front of the 2 pin instead of hitting it flush, which then results in the 2 pin being driven more backwards and to the right instead of toward the 4 pin?
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Yes. 2 hits the five before the ball, moving it right, so the ball chops the five straight back instead of into the 8.
You use to see it more when guys would roll it out more often. Now more people understand ball motion and sometime the ball gets the 8 and 9.
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There was a shot I remember when I hit high flush, the head pin hit the 5 pin causing it to go straight back or behind the 8 pin. I was using a friend 16lbs ball at the time.
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Yes. 2 hits the five before the ball, moving it right, so the ball chops the five straight back instead of into the 8.
You use to see it more when guys would roll it out more often. Now more people understand ball motion and sometime the ball gets the 8 and 9.
...and sometimes the will leave be an 8-10. Either way, sounds like a light pocket hit to me.
Just speaking from my personal experience of leaving a few thousand of the *&!#(+@ things. ;D
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Ring ten and flat 10 aren't the same thing, neither is a solid 8 and an 8-10.
Bowl long enough and you will solid 8 with a ring 10.
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Ring ten and flat 10 aren't the same thing, neither is a solid 8 and an 8-10.
Bowl long enough and you will solid 8 with a ring 10.
Left one Sunday...
Light pocket hit, everyone on the pair said I was robbed. I knew it hit the pocket light and was my fault. Not that I admitted it out loud of course...
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Flush. A solid 8 is not light.
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Flush. A solid 8 is not light.
Meant an 8-10. Most people don't seem know the difference between a flat ten and ringing ten and especially why they left either one. I knew exactly why I left the 8-10.
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to leave an 8 pin or not to leave an 8 pin, that is the question.
if you miss an 8 pin, pack your bags and go home.....
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Ring ten and flat 10 aren't the same thing, neither is a solid 8 and an 8-10.
Bowl long enough and you will solid 8 with a ring 10.
Left one Sunday...
Light pocket hit, everyone on the pair said I was robbed. I knew it hit the pocket light and was my fault. Not that I admitted it out loud of course...
I hate when people think they should strike because they hit the 1-3 or 1-2. That ball was clearly high, a flat 10 is not a great shot, and your pocket 7-10 was because your ball came in behind the head pin.
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Ring ten and flat 10 aren't the same thing, neither is a solid 8 and an 8-10.
Bowl long enough and you will solid 8 with a ring 10.
Left one Sunday...
Light pocket hit, everyone on the pair said I was robbed. I knew it hit the pocket light and was my fault. Not that I admitted it out loud of course...
I hate when people think they should strike because they hit the 1-3 or 1-2. That ball was clearly high, a flat 10 is not a great shot, and your pocket 7-10 was because your ball came in behind the head pin.
"But, but, but, I hit the head pin..."
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8-10, weak 10, swishing 7-10, even mist ringing 10s are the result of deflection. Stone 9 is the result of a bit too much entry angle. Only the flush solid 8 can't be associated with too much angle or too much deflection.
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Old site, but this reveals the truth...
http://www.teamstatpro.com/solid8pin.htm
And of course I left one in league last night in the 10th of the last game.
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Old site, but this reveals the truth...
http://www.teamstatpro.com/solid8pin.htm
And of course I left one in league last night in the 10th of the last game.
I completely agree with this link. I always say that if you left ANY pin, then it wasn't a "perfect" hit. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just fooling themselves.
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Old site, but this reveals the truth...
http://www.teamstatpro.com/solid8pin.htm
And of course I left one in league last night in the 10th of the last game.
I completely agree with this link. I always say that if you left ANY pin, then it wasn't a "perfect" hit. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just fooling themselves.
All of my hits are perfect. Let me tell myself that!
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Actually the high flush solid 8 is a result of actions which are beyond the control of the bowler. Even the article which does a great job of analysis admits that the 8 is the result of a perfectly thrown shot.
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Actually the high flush solid 8 is a result of actions which are beyond the control of the bowler. Even the article which does a great job of analysis admits that the 8 is the result of a perfectly thrown shot.
If the 8 pin was still standing, then the shot wasn't perfect.
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Actually the high flush solid 8 is a result of actions which are beyond the control of the bowler. Even the article which does a great job of analysis admits that the 8 is the result of a perfectly thrown shot.
If the 8 pin was still standing, then the shot wasn't perfect.
Ummm... yeah it is! That's what happens sometimes when 1 round object contacts another. You have no control over that at all. We've known how the solid 8 pin remains for 30 yrs now. Nuthin new here.
The headpin hits the 2 turns to the inside takes the 5 b4 the ball gets there and low & behold= solid 8! Whether the 1&2 are ever so slightly off spot that you can't obviously see it or the spin of the ball causes the headpin to spin funny as well. There is no adjustment to make.
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The cure for leaving solid 8 pins is the T-ZONE!!!! C'mon now, everyone knows that!
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This is why I just saw racks. Who wants to hit flush??
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My last comment will be this; you can get a strike without a "perfect" hit, if you do happen to throw it perfectly, then it will result in a strike. Otherwise, it's not a perfect hit for the current condition.
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How is a "perfectly thrown shot" defined? What is the criterion exactly?
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How is a "perfectly thrown shot" defined? What is the criterion exactly?
It's 90% of the shots that don't strike.
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How is a "perfectly thrown shot" defined? What is the criterion exactly?
It's 90% of the shots that don't strike.
There is that way of looking at it...
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How is a "perfectly thrown shot" defined? What is the criterion exactly?
It's 90% of the shots that don't strike.
There is that way of looking at it...
That's what all the league bowlers say! "I threw that perfect!"
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My last comment will be this; you can get a strike without a "perfect" hit, if you do happen to throw it perfectly, then it will result in a strike. Otherwise, it's not a perfect hit for the current condition.
Wrong. There is no 100% guaranteed strike in bowling. They even did tests to find the perfect strike and still could not strike 100% of the time. There is no guarantee that the pins are going to react in such a way that they all go down. Way too many variables involved.
A true stone 8 is just bad luck.
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Good point, nothing is guaranteed no matter where you put the ball. Think about this. If you are worried about leaving a solid 8 it is possible to put the ball a little bit higher or a little bit lighter and avoid the 8. However either adjustment ( assuming you can make such an adjustment ) decreases your chance of carry compared to the flush hit that could leave an 8.