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insidedrive

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Rolling over thumbhole
« on: November 06, 2006, 12:39:30 AM »
I've been working on my game a lot lately and now find that I roll over my thumb hole for every ball I throw.  It only rolls over it for the first 3 or for revs at release and once it turns it doesn't hit it anymore, but I'm wondering why this is happening?  I'm having trouble finding a release that does not produce this result.  I'm a high end stroker/low end tweener.  I've tried sever releases with turning my wrist earlier, maybe later, slowing down, speeding up, no matter what I do I have lines going right over the thumb.  Any help is greatly appreciated everyone!

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Sean John 369

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Re: Rolling over thumbhole
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2006, 09:42:00 AM »
You may be a full roller..  Try keeping your elbow locked and swing the ball from the shoulders. Dont muscle it.  Lead the ball with your ring finger.
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Re: Rolling over thumbhole
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2006, 09:52:48 AM »
inside,
When you setup, are you hunched over a little (bent at the waist)?  If so, this can cause problems with your release.  Try standing a little taller, and bend only the knees (comfortably); this should help you walk more naturally and keep you in a better leveraged position when you get to the line (allowing you to follow-thru more fluidly).  Also, try not to think too much about your release, just concentrate on your mechanics and be relaxed.
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Re: Rolling over thumbhole
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2006, 10:02:48 AM »
Check the drilling and the rimm of the thumbhole. If it is to sharp-edged it maybe   causes that you "hang" with your thumb a bit to long in the ball, creating this result.
In my case it was also necessary to redrill the thumbholes with some pitch for a quicker and cleaner release.
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Re: Rolling over thumbhole
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2006, 10:10:11 AM »
Is the Cg located below the grip centerline?
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insidedrive

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Re: Rolling over thumbhole
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2006, 11:54:43 AM »
thanks for all the replies and help.

BowlingWolf:
I used to hunch over a bit and changed to standing up more straight which is actually what started this problem to begin with.  When I was hunched over I never had this problem.  I'm 6'4, so it's tough for me to find a comfortable line that doesn't involve dropping the ball from a high distance.

My ball is drilled like this
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I don't know enough about drilling to know if this would be the problem but I know that when the ball begins to turn it doesnt effect the thumb, it's only when I first release.

katel, I've actually started taking my thumb out sooner allowing for a smooth "unrolling" release, but it still hits the thumb, although it is significantly LESS over the thumb hole, but it still is.

I'm definitely not a full roller, or at least I never used to be, and I don't normally muscle the ball.  Before I changed posture I was a bowler who's release you couldn't even hear the ball hit the lane I was so low and smooth, now it thuds with my new style and I've noticed the thumbhole.

I'll try what a couple of you recommended but it doesn't seem I'm doing what was suggested.  Any other ideas are greatly appreciated! Thanks everyone.


Edited on 11/6/2006 12:46 PM

Edited on 11/6/2006 12:47 PM

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Re: Rolling over thumbhole
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2006, 12:00:49 PM »
I had that problem.. I played with my hand a little in my release and it stopped.

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Re: Rolling over thumbhole
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2006, 01:41:35 PM »
inside,
Could be a timing issue.  How many steps do you take?  Sounds like you may be walking too soon before stepping (1st of 4 steps or 2nd of 5 steps).  Reason I say this is that you mention that you are not delivering the ball smoothly onto the lane, therefore your timing is late (feet are way ahead of your hand).  Try to coordinate your pushaway with your either 1st of 4 or 2nd of 5 steps at the same time and see what happens.  Let me know.
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Re: Rolling over thumbhole
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2006, 03:21:44 PM »
KULAY,
I don't know how long you've been bowling, but to say that timing has no effect on release is wrong!  The success, or lack of success, in one's game, is most certainly predicated by the way one begins his/her approach, since it has a direct impact on the end result (RELEASE)!
I'm not saying that is the problem with "inside" for sure; however, it certainly could be (could also be span, pitches, overturning the ball at release point, etc.)
I also track VERY high, so I think that after bowling for some 40 years or so, I am qualified to make an opinion on this subject, especially since I used to have the same exact problem.
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Re: Rolling over thumbhole
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2006, 03:34:43 PM »
I have a friend that does the same thing....He is a partial full roller with all his balls.  He has left pitch in his thumb when his anatomy appears to me to call for right pitch.  He is a hell of a bowler anyway...thump thump!

It is known that by putting more lateral under palm pitch one slightly lowers their track.  Bill Taylor in his book on drilling shows a fella how to lower track off thumb by going from 1/8 right to 3/8 right!

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Re: Rolling over thumbhole
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2006, 04:44:30 PM »
re Katel's statement...yes bad bevel can be an issue!  Note what he said about pitches also!

Not enough side bevel seems to lead to hanging and pulling!
Not enough front bevel leads to callus under the flat of the thumb, or black marks(bad bad bad nerve damage ahead) or lofting unintentionally.

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insidedrive

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Re: Rolling over thumbhole
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2006, 06:22:13 PM »
hey everyone thanks for all your input!  I don't think it's the drilling because I've never done this before and I've had the ball for almost a year.  It only started when I changed to a five step approach and started standing more straight up than bent over.  I think part of my problem may be I am releasing the thumb and rolling with the fingers but not getting enough turn on my wrist and hand if that makes any sense?  The drilling is good too so I can't blame the quality of drilling.  I think I just really need someone to take a look at my release and help.  Maybe I'll be able to get a video up to show what's going on.  I'll try everything you all brought up though, and see if it makes a difference.

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Re: Rolling over thumbhole
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2006, 06:44:37 PM »
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It only started when I changed to a five step approach and started standing more straight up than bent over. I think part of my problem may be I am releasing the thumb and rolling with the fingers but not getting enough turn on my wrist and hand if that makes any sense?


Inside, a little change in timing, no matter how subtle, can definitely have a detrimental effect on the release point.

Have you tried going back to your old style of 4 steps (presumably) and a less, in your case, erect stance, to see if your release gets back to its smooth old self?  Can be that with 5 steps, your timing is slightly off causing you to release flat (thumb and fingers too simultaneous), instead of the thumb exiting quickly and the weight of ball transferring to the fingers at optimal time for proper lift.  Just a suggestion.
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insidedrive

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Re: Rolling over thumbhole
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2006, 12:25:01 PM »
Hey Wolf, yeah i've gone back to the 4 step approach with my old style of form but for some reason I can't get my release back.  I have league tonight so I'll see if I can get it back.  I think you're on to something with me not letting my thumb out fast enough.  THat's always been a problem for me but I never really hit the thumb hole before.  That's what I'm going to concentrate on tonight.


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Re: Rolling over thumbhole
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2006, 01:52:54 PM »
Inside,
When I struggle, I often read this piece of advice:
" For the right kind of action to result, the 'explosion point' of a shot needs to coincide with the proper release point.  The term 'explosion point' describes that instant in which the hand attempts to engage all the action producing factors--extension, lift hand/arm turn.  
A bowler must acquire the patience and discipline to wait for the ball to get to the proper release point before 'playing his hand', so to speak (relax, and get the ball out over the lane smoothly).
If you tend to release too late, concentrate on 'rolling' the ball to the target instead of 'throwing' or 'reaching' for it.
If your looking for an all-encompassing piece of advice concerning this subject, it's 'Don't rush!'  Yet, despite this much publicized admonishment, many bowlers wantonly disregard this warning, and continue 'galloping' to the foul line, hitting the ball early, cutting the backswing short, or demonstrating any number of similar faults--these acts are not intentional, by the way.
The fact is that most bowlers don't trust their ability to get everything in on time.  Therefore, though inadvertent, most of this illicit behaviour is mentally contrived, specifically attributable to a lack of faith.  Correcting the problem is relatively easy, providing the bowler is first made to recognize it.
A bowler, or any athlete, should strive for a feeling that there is a sequential order of all the technique one needs to put into each shot.  Players who sense they have ample time to effect all of these aspects are certainly destined to perform much better.
Remember, one must strive to include all aspects of the bowling form.  Becoming too anxious because you fear that something will be left out, often means hurrying and, indeed, leaving something out!  There are micro-seconds within each second--plenty of time.  Often you will hear a wise coach implore, 'Execute!'  This can't be done without doing it all.
So, again, take your time.  It doesn't serve your best interest to hurry.  No one can blame you if you don't strike.  But if you don't 'execute', you are 'guilty as charged'.
When asked , 'What was the first thing Paul Revere said at the end of his famous ride?' the third grader calmly replied, 'Whoa.'  Unfortunately, too many bowlers overlook 'whoa' and frantically answer, 'The British are coming!' "
Hoping some of this sinks in, if only a little at a time.
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BowlingWolf