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DukeHarding

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Ron C...You were right...
« on: December 14, 2005, 08:26:47 AM »
I am a BIG CHICKEN.

You had recommended 3/8 forward in the thumb, to alleviate my problem with the skin peeling off the back of my thumb, when using Magic Carpet.

I plugged an old ball that had 1/8 reverse, 1/8 left lateral in the thumb.
I told my driller to put 1/4 forward in the ball, as I thought that it was really pushing the forward pitch to an extreme. He thought 1/4 forward was extreme, and recommended 1/8 forward. I went with 1/4 forward.

I picked the ball up Monday night...put a sleeve in the thumb hole, installed a piece of MC...and went out to practice with the nall today. I remembered what you said about not squeezing the ball. I took my catcher's mask with, just in case, I did squeeze the ball...I didn't need it.

It took a game to get used to the pitch, and relax my hand.
I had no trouble at all coming out of the ball. My practice partner said it was the cleanest he had seen my release in years. Funny thing is: I could go an 1/8 more forward in the thumb. I found I was squeezing the ball a little tiny bit.

I also want to publicly thank you, for the quick service, sending out the "lost" Magic Carpet shipment...You are A+ in my book.
My practice partner put a piece of Magic Carpet in his ball, and liked it...He likes the whole Magic Carpet concept...makes sense.

On Edit:

I'm using BLUE Vise Skin Protection tape. I super glue the end to my thumb nail, and stretch the tape tight down the thumb 3/4" past the beginning of the thumb (towards the hand), stopped the redness, and tearing totally.

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Re: Ron C...You were right...
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2005, 08:50:56 AM »
I am glad the pitch worked out for you. I am only batting 1,000 on that so far.
As your hand learns to relax more (it will) you will most likely want to go even more forward, more than 3/8s.

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Re: Ron C...You were right...
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2005, 10:01:44 AM »
I find this amazing. I'm experimenting with going from 7/16 reverse to 5/16 reverse, and I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do it.......

I may have to jump on a plane and pay Ron a visit.
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Re: Ron C...You were right...
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2005, 10:08:02 AM »
Steven, I started at 1/2 reverse about 2 years ago and have, very incrementally, gone to zero today.  My theory is that I'll keep going forward until it's not good then back to the last good pitch.  It's at the point now where every 1/16 forward surprises me that I can do it.  But, every time I move forward my release gets better.  I know, some thumbs just arent built that way, but keep at it and you'll like the result.  Are you changing lateral as well?  I also moved from 3/8 away to 3/16 and may go more in on that as well.
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Re: Ron C...You were right...
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2005, 10:11:56 AM »
I am going the other way, back to a reverse pitch and tighter thumbhole.  I like the relaxed way I can hold the ball with forward or zero pitch, but I can't consistently clear the front of the thumb (I prefer a snug thumb) because my hand is not flexible.  

Ron, the Magic Carpet has made it possible for me to get almost a custom fit and reduce grabbing at the bottom in a reverse pitch.  Superior product (unsolicited product plug).
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Brickguy221

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Re: Ron C...You were right...
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2005, 10:15:00 AM »
quote:
I find this amazing. I'm experimenting with going from 7/16 reverse to 5/16 reverse, and I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do it.......

I may have to jump on a plane and pay Ron a visit.

 


Same for me. In fact I increased mine from 1/8 reverse to 3/16 reverse. Steven, Ron's batting average might drop below 1000 after you and I visit.....lol

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Re: Ron C...You were right...
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2005, 10:18:44 AM »
I took Ron's advice and went to 1/2 forward. Didn't work for me. But 3/8 forward is almost a miraculous change. Funny thing - if you have it too far forward, you can see the same symptoms as too far reverse - it looks like you're grabbing/squeezing or coming over the top. That's what I saw with 1/2 - but it went away at 3/8.

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Re: Ron C...You were right...
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2005, 10:31:06 AM »
My symptoms are basically the same as Phillip's. No matter how much I try to 'relax' my hand, I have problems with clearing the front.

I would really like to know for sure if it's a personal technique problem or just plain being flexibility challenged.

Otherwise, my current technique is similar to what Phillip described -- a tighter thumbhole, and additionally less bevel.
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Ron C...You were right...
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2005, 10:35:50 AM »
Are the guys that are going forward and hanging...increasing bevel before they give up?

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Re: Ron C...You were right...
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2005, 10:46:29 AM »
quote:
Are the guys that are going forward and hanging...increasing bevel before they give up?

REgards,

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Yep, you probably need to do this.  I used to have almost no bevel, but as I've gone forward my bevel has also increased.
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Steven

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Re: Ron C...You were right...
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2005, 10:50:19 AM »
LL: Good point on the bevel; it does make a difference.

I guess one of the bigger problems is that every time I get into pitch experimentation, I feel like I've stepped in quicksand. All changes feel different and require time to give a fair evaluation, and that's just tough to do during league/tournament season. One change begets another change which begets another, and then I don't where I'm at with anything. Couple that with having too many balls and all the hassle of mass conversion, and well, you get the picture.

I really might hunt Ron down next summer when the time for potential change is more appropriate.
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Re: Ron C...You were right...
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2005, 10:52:36 AM »
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all the hassle of mass conversion...


LOL.  Right now I have about 15 balls in the basement.  Probably have at least 4 different thumb pitches amongst them.
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Re: Ron C...You were right...
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2005, 10:53:08 AM »
I'm just the opposite with the bevel. When I used reverse, I had a lot of bevel. Now that I am forward, I can bowl with the drilled edge & really need no bevel at all.
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Ragnar

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Re: Ron C...You were right...
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2005, 10:56:44 AM »
STW, as I've gone forward I've shortened span, maybe 3/8? maybe 1/2?  Also changed finger pitches to more away from grip center.
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Re: Ron C...You were right...
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2005, 10:58:50 AM »
Well...shortened span or increased bevel.

For those that can't do it...same amount of bevel and same span?

REgards,

Luckylefty
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