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AlonzoHarris

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Asym vs Sym..not the typical question though
« on: October 11, 2017, 12:35:44 PM »
No I'm not making a post to ask whats the difference...

While working to get my Code Red's shape to my liking, I had a thought. Asym's allow for quite a bit of tweaking. Let's just use the Code Red and Hy-Road for example purposes since they share the same cover.

Code Red 2.50/.058
High RG - 2.558
Low RG - 2.442

Hy-Road 2.57/.046
High RG - 2.616
Low RG - 2.524

RG Overlap Range 2.524 - 2.558

That is where I will stop the math because I may start to drift into areas of unknown for myself.

To the meat and potatoes of the question. Could the two be drilled accordingly to match the post drilling RG's and Diffs?

EXAMPLE: Say they overlapped at 2.543/.052

With having the same coverstocks and matched up post drilling core numbers...would we really see a difference in reaction??
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Luke Morningwood

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Re: Asym vs Sym..not the typical question though
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2017, 01:33:47 PM »
My quick reaction is that you would still see a difference between the two, for two reasons.
1: the RG is different enough to cause a noticeable change in skid before hook and roll, even though you technically drilled it to remove this difference.
2: the intermediate diff on the Red would still cause it to be a stronger core.

I may be wrong, but this is the first thing that crossed my mind. Let's hear it.......
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Re: Asym vs Sym..not the typical question though
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2017, 03:20:54 PM »
Quote from: AlonzoHarris on October 11, 2017, 12:35:44 PM
No I'm not making a post to ask whats the difference...

While working to get my Code Red's shape to my liking, I had a thought. Asym's allow for quite a bit of tweaking. Let's just use the Code Red and Hy-Road for example purposes since they share the same cover.

Code Red 2.50/.058
High RG - 2.558
Low RG - 2.442

Hy-Road 2.57/.046
High RG - 2.616
Low RG - 2.524

RG Overlap Range 2.524 - 2.558

That is where I will stop the math because I may start to drift into areas of unknown for myself.

To the meat and potatoes of the question. Could the two be drilled accordingly to match the post drilling RG's and Diffs?

EXAMPLE: Say they overlapped at 2.543/.052

With having the same coverstocks and matched up post drilling core numbers...would we really see a difference in reaction??

Youre overthinking this, the differences are pretty dramatic.
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AlonzoHarris

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Re: Asym vs Sym..not the typical question though
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2017, 03:28:16 PM »
Quote from: northface28 on October 11, 2017, 03:20:54 PM
Quote from: AlonzoHarris on October 11, 2017, 12:35:44 PM
No I'm not making a post to ask whats the difference...

While working to get my Code Red's shape to my liking, I had a thought. Asym's allow for quite a bit of tweaking. Let's just use the Code Red and Hy-Road for example purposes since they share the same cover.

Code Red 2.50/.058
High RG - 2.558
Low RG - 2.442

Hy-Road 2.57/.046
High RG - 2.616
Low RG - 2.524

RG Overlap Range 2.524 - 2.558

That is where I will stop the math because I may start to drift into areas of unknown for myself.

To the meat and potatoes of the question. Could the two be drilled accordingly to match the post drilling RG's and Diffs?

EXAMPLE: Say they overlapped at 2.543/.052

With having the same coverstocks and matched up post drilling core numbers...would we really see a difference in reaction??

Youre overthinking this, the differences are pretty dramatic.

I most likely am. One of those random bored thoughts. If you match cover and post drilling core numbers, minus Int Diff as Luke mentioned, What else is really causing the differences on the lane we're seeing.
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itsallaboutme

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Re: Asym vs Sym..not the typical question though
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2017, 03:53:04 PM »
Your numbers are wrong because the listed specs aren't the average RG, they are the low RG.  Then you add the differential to get the high RG. Not add and subtract the diff to get high and low.
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AlonzoHarris

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Re: Asym vs Sym..not the typical question though
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2017, 04:18:21 PM »
Quote from: itsallaboutme on October 11, 2017, 03:53:04 PM
Your numbers are wrong because the listed specs aren't the average RG, they are the low RG.  Then you add the differential to get the high RG. Not add and subtract the diff to get high and low.

Good catch! Whoops
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Re: Asym vs Sym..not the typical question though
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2017, 04:45:55 PM »
Numbers do not a ball reaction make.
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Re: Asym vs Sym..not the typical question though
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2017, 01:02:30 AM »
Quote from: itsallaboutme on October 11, 2017, 03:53:04 PM
Your numbers are wrong because the listed specs aren't the average RG, they are the low RG.  Then you add the differential to get the high RG. Not add and subtract the diff to get high and low.

YEP!
Quote from: AlonzoHarris on October 11, 2017, 12:35:44 PM
Code Red 2.50/.058
High RG - 2.558
Low RG - 2.442

Hy-Road 2.57/.046
High RG - 2.616
Low RG - 2.524
These numbers would be 2x the diff. rendering the balls so much more illegal than Motiv Jackal ever was. WOW! Talk about flare potential!
The high RG of the Red cannot get to the low RG of the Hy-road. Therefore not possible to match-em up. Why would you wanna anyway??
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Re: Asym vs Sym..not the typical question though
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2017, 04:47:16 AM »
If you ended up with the same RG and track flare amount I don't think you'd see a difference in balls that have the same coverstock.  They would be released with the same rev rate and have the same response to friction.
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AlonzoHarris

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Re: Asym vs Sym..not the typical question though
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2017, 11:03:10 AM »
Quote from: imagonman on October 12, 2017, 01:02:30 AM
Quote from: itsallaboutme on October 11, 2017, 03:53:04 PM
Your numbers are wrong because the listed specs aren't the average RG, they are the low RG.  Then you add the differential to get the high RG. Not add and subtract the diff to get high and low.

YEP!
Quote from: AlonzoHarris on October 11, 2017, 12:35:44 PM
Code Red 2.50/.058
High RG - 2.558
Low RG - 2.442

Hy-Road 2.57/.046
High RG - 2.616
Low RG - 2.524
These numbers would be 2x the diff. rendering the balls so much more illegal than Motiv Jackal ever was. WOW! Talk about flare potential!
The high RG of the Red cannot get to the low RG of the Hy-road. Therefore not possible to match-em up. Why would you wanna anyway??

Yeah - I don't know why I added and subtracted them knowing darn well they start at the low RG..Whoops. In this example, the math doesn't work, but I bet there's an example out there where they do.

Quote from: tgknukem on October 12, 2017, 04:47:16 AM
If you ended up with the same RG and track flare amount I don't think you'd see a difference in balls that have the same coverstock.  They would be released with the same rev rate and have the same response to friction.

That's what peaked my curiosity. Even say Throwbot was used to remove human error. The only thing left is orientation of the core and the core's shape. This would be a good video for a ball company to use to show it's worth their time designing different shaped weight blocks...unless it's not  :o ???
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