Author Topic: rules question (Read 2103 times)

thedjs · « **on:** February 04, 2014, 11:16:00 AM »

Yesterday during league play our third bowler struck out in the 10th frame. After he had finished a bowler from about 3 or 4 lanes away came down and said he saw that there was a pin down on the third strike. No on our team saw it and no one on the team we were bowling saw it either. It really was not going to affect the outcome of the game and, since none of the 8 people bowling on our pair of lanes saw a pin down, I went ahead and bowled.

My question is, since no one on the two competing teams saw a pin down and only a person from 3-4 lanes away saw it, should the bowler have had to bowl the last part of the frame again? What is the rule on something like this?

Joe Cool · « **Reply #1 on:** February 04, 2014, 01:48:10 PM »

I don't know what the "rule" is (or if there is one), but the common sense approach should apply. If none of you saw it, only one person saw it, and both teams are fine with the end result, I wouldn't worry about it. I've never been a stickler for the rules though, so I'm probably not the best person to answer the question. For all you know the other guy saw it wrong and the pin was up (or maybe out of spot).

Aloarjr810 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 04, 2014, 02:10:14 PM »

I would say This would be covered under Rule 7

Rule 7 â€“ Pins
7a. Improperly Set
It is each playerâ€™s responsibility to determine if a setup is correct. The player shall insist that any pin(s)
incorrectly set be respotted before delivering the ball, otherwise the setup is deemed to be acceptable.
When bowling at a full setup or to make a spare, if it is discovered immediately after the delivery that
one or more pins are set improperly, but not missing, the delivery and resulting pinfall count.
No change can be made in the position of any pin(s) left standing after the bowlerâ€™s first
delivery, unless:
1. The pinsetter moved or misplaced any pin(s), or
2. Any standing pin(s) is (are) outside the range of the sweep bar.
Any such pin(s) will be respotted where it (they) originally stood before the delivery.

Since the opposing team didn't contest it and a dead ball wasn't called. You should be okay.

This would be covered under
Rule 7 â€“ Pins
Rule 8 â€“ Dead Ball
Rule 10 â€“ Provisional Ball

Mighty Fish · « **Reply #3 on:** February 04, 2014, 03:22:32 PM »

Dear thedjs and Aloarjr810:

The original poster referred to a claim (albeit by a bowler not directly involved in the competition) that a pin was allegedly down, whereas Rule 7 deals primarily with "pins set improperly" and/or off-spot.

Rule 8a (dealing with Dead Ball) would be more appropriate. It reads: A ball shall be declared dead if ... after a delivery, attention is IMMEDIATELY [emphasis mine] called to the fact that one or more pins were missing from the setup.

Rule 10 (dealing with Provisional Ball) may be applicable, in that it reads: A provisional ball or frame shall be bowled when a protest involving a foul, legal pinfall or a dead ball is made and cannot be resolved by the two team captains or a tournament official.

IMPORTANTLY, in this case, a provisional ball would NOT be required, and the original delivery (and result) should be allowed to stand. Keep in mind that THERE WAS NO PROTEST FILED, and further, both captains apparently WERE able to resolve the situation. Case closed.

heavyarty · « **Reply #4 on:** February 04, 2014, 04:48:58 PM »

maybe the person who saw the pin should worry about their game. thats an answer you would get in the state of new york. but usually if the team on your lanes dont see it, then its fine

JOE FALCO · « **Reply #5 on:** February 04, 2014, 05:09:07 PM »

Good answer FISH!

thedjs · « **Reply #6 on:** February 04, 2014, 05:20:24 PM »

Thanks guys. That's exactly what I thought. No one on our pair of lanes saw a pin down so there was no protest. I also agree that the person who was three or four lanes away should worry about their own game and not what's happening on our lanes.

St. Croix · « **Reply #7 on:** February 04, 2014, 08:17:34 PM »

Quote from: heavyarty on February 04, 2014, 04:48:58 PM

maybe the person who saw the pin should worry about their game. thats an answer you would get in the state of new york. but usually if the team on your lanes dont see it, then its fine

Would a guy who is 3 or 4 lanes away have standing to file a protest? The rules are probably silent on that point, but I would be surprised if his protest were allowed.

Aloarjr810 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 04, 2014, 09:54:18 PM »

Quote from: Mighty Fish on February 04, 2014, 03:22:32 PM

Dear thedjs and Aloarjr810:

The original poster referred to a claim (albeit by a bowler not directly involved in the competition) that a pin was allegedly down, whereas Rule 7 deals primarily with "pins set improperly" and/or off-spot.

Rule 8a (dealing with Dead Ball) would be more appropriate. It reads: A ball shall be declared dead if ... after a delivery, attention is IMMEDIATELY [emphasis mine] called to the fact that one or more pins were missing from the setup.

I believe technically Rule 7 would be the most appropriate.

Rule 8 refers to a pin MISSING from the setup.

The pin had fell down so wasn't missing from the setup it was still there, That makes it just improperly set and off-spot not missing.

Rule7: When bowling at a full setup or to make a spare, if it is discovered immediately after the delivery that
one or more pins are set improperly, but not missing, the delivery and resulting pinfall count.

But the point is moot as we all said since no protest was filed.

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