6a. Legal Pinfall
Pins to be credited to a player following a legal delivery shall include:
1. Pins knocked down or off the lane surface by the ball or another pin.
2. Pins knocked down or off the lane surface by a pin rebounding from a side partition or rear cushion.
3. Pins knocked down or off the lane surface by a pin rebounding from the sweep bar when it is at rest
on the pin deck before sweeping dead wood from the pin deck.
4. Pins that lean and touch the kickback or side partition. All such pins are termed dead wood and
must be removed before the next delivery.
No pins may be conceded, and only pins actually knocked down or moved entirely off the playing area
of the lane surface as a result of a legal delivery may be counted.

6b. Illegal Pinfall
When any of the following occur, the delivery counts but the resulting pinfall does not:
1. A ball leaves the lane before reaching the pins.
2. A ball rebounds from the rear cushion.
3. A pin rebounds after coming in contact with the body, arms or legs of a human pinsetter.
4. A pin is touched by mechanical pinsetting equipment.
5. Any pin knocked down when dead wood is being removed.
6. Any pin knocked down by a human pinsetter.
7. The player commits a foul.
8. A delivery is made with dead wood on the lane or in the gutter and the ball contacts such dead
wood before leaving the lane surface


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I would say if the pin was not down it should be re spotted to the correct pin position..

I agree.  I know it stinks, but if the pin is up, it stays up regardless.  We were running into an issue with dead wood all night that the sweeper wasn't picking up.  We had a discussion on what the rule was if a pin hit the dead wood and knocked over another pin.  Example, deadwood on the right hand side, a righty throws a strike, but the 6 pin hit the dead wood before taking out the 10.  Someone said you get 0 for the entire frame. 

Quote from: Zanatos1914 on February 19, 2014, 06:02:21 PM

I would say if the pin was not down it should be re spotted to the correct pin position..

I agree.  I know it stinks, but if the pin is up, it stays up regardless.  We were running into an issue with dead wood all night that the sweeper wasn't picking up.  We had a discussion on what the rule was if a pin hit the dead wood and knocked over another pin.  Example, deadwood on the right hand side, a righty throws a strike, but the 6 pin hit the dead wood before taking out the 10.  Someone said you get 0 for the entire frame. 

The way the rule reads, you would get a strike.  It is only illegal pinfall if the BALL hits the deadwood, not another pin.

Aloarjr810, I agree, the OP's pin should be respot.  I was only referring to the deadwood question.

I guess i am still confused.   There was no dead wood before the shot.   What happened was on my first shot somehow a pin ended up on the sidewall by the left gutter and the seven was touching the pin in the gutter.  The seven pin was in the gutter being held up by the pin that somehow ended up there on my shot.   The pinsetter came down and it was so far left in the gutter it picked it up and then fell back into the gutter.   There was no dead wood before prior shot it all happened at the same time.

I misunderstood the op on the pin and thought there was dead wood. If the pin setter touched the pin and it fell, then it does need to be repotted.