I'm president of a league and bowling mid way through the league.  The treasuer came up to me and said that someone was sanding their bowling ball after two frames of the second game.  The treasuer told him he wasn't allowed to sand the ball and use it in league play.  He didn't listen.  The team captain on lane 3 seen this and told the team captin on lane 2 (the two teams were not bowlng each other)to stop the bowler from using the ball before he threw it in competution.  The team captain did not listen and let him throw the ball.

Now my officers and some team captains are coming to me and want me to impose a forfiet.  I listen to both sides and assign a forfiet.  

A week later they want to have a meeting and vote whether or not to impose the forfiet.  Half of those that wanted to impose the forfiet now have forgiveness and want to give them the point back.

I went to the local USBC office today before the league started and talked with the local secretary and she called the main USBC headquarters and said I was correct in assigning the forfiet.  I know there's going to be a protest.

How would you have handled this?

Thank you,

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

I used to catch guys with a scotchbrite sewed into there seesaw at Showboat all the time, for whatever reason it was a big thing there with that crowd.

Talk about verbal fights we had them all the time, the league secretary always backed our team up when the person was caught and you did the right thing already.

Let them file the protest, they will lose.  The rules state that the ball must be removed from competition, refusal will result in forfeit.
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USBC Bronze Coach

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Subject to forfeit means they forfeit lol.

You are absolutely right on the topic. They were caught, they were told to remove the ball from play, they didn't listen, so they forfeit. Simple


You have to be careful though as this only applies to sanding. Polishing as long as there is no abrasives, and using things such as rubbing alcohol are totally legal even during competition.

I hear things like subject to forfiet means I have to have an all captains meeting and vote whether or not to assign the forfiet or give a warning.  But the USBC rule book says its the responsibility of the president to enforce the rules.  

So what does "subject to forfiet mean"?

Thank you for the responses.


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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

Gazoo,

So since I am the president and by the USBC rule book I am responsible to enforce the rules and regulations have declared the rule violation and awarded the forfeit.  Was that within my authority as president of the league?

The team has the right to protest.

It seems like many wanted the forfeit, but it was near split.  We did not vote.  I thought it might cause too much animosity with the league so I awarded the forfeit and let them know they can protest/challenge.

Thanks again.


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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

You did the right thing and more over, you did your job , as Pres.  My question to those who now, seem to want to give back the points, what rule/rules do they want enforced ? Will they next come and say, because they have the votes, that they can throw 3 balls ? shoot the ten pin with a 357 ?

I know that's a bit off but if you ( they) start 'over-riding' the rule book, where does it stop ? There are rules for a reason, either play by then or start up a league and have your (thier) own rules.

JMO.
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az guy aka: R & L Bowlers Pro
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