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9andaWiggle

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Sandbagging vs Running up the Score
« on: December 14, 2008, 11:28:52 PM »
Why is it that in other sports, say football, it is considered unsportsmanlike to keep your best players on the field and scoring when your opponent is 56 points behind, yet in bowling you are supposed to keep pounding them into the ground lest you be labeled a sandbagger?

Just seems odd... In one sport, out of respect, you're supposed to let up when you have the game covered, yet in another you're supposed to be merciless and keep murdering the opponent.

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Re: Sandbagging vs Running up the Score
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2008, 07:49:57 AM »
BCS duh a win is a win one point or a hundred they are all the same in the win colum
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Re: Sandbagging vs Running up the Score
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2008, 08:16:29 AM »
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BCS duh a win is a win one point or a hundred they are all the same in the win colum
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Did the BCS eliminate the "margin of victory" component?  I thought I heard discussions of doing that to make sure teams wouldn't run up the score, but I haven't looked at the BCS factors used to compile computer rankings in a looooong time.
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David Lee Yskes

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Re: Sandbagging vs Running up the Score
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2008, 09:47:53 AM »
Wiggle,

Well, In alot of Pro sports it's just sportsmanship, plus, alot of the times, you might heard one of the announcer's say something about well the next time they meet the situation could be different, so thats why they are putting in 2nd string guys to play out the game.    But every now n then when a team does run up the score you'll hear someone also say, If the team cant stop them, is it our fault?  or the teams job is to stop them.  stuff like that.  

But yea in most professional sports after a bit you tend to see teams ease up.  

now, in Pro Bowling you dont heard about someone easing up once they are ahead, it's only in league bowling, in which you'd hear it.
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Re: Sandbagging vs Running up the Score
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2008, 10:40:34 AM »
In theory, if you "let up" and stop throwing strikes, you are dragging out the game longer because you are now throwing 2 balls a frame instead of 1. So striking out would make it easier/quicker on the other person.

Bad theory, but I like it.
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Re: Sandbagging vs Running up the Score
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2008, 10:48:28 AM »
There are many factors you really don't know if you have them beat until towards the 8th, 9th frame unless it's really lopsided. You can have strung the first six, your opponent may have 6 spares.  All the sudden you split the next two frames and he doubles. The game is suddenly really close and will be determined in the 10th frame.  Team bowling, you may have beat the team by 300 points the first game, all the sudden you lose the next by 200 and game three by 120. You now lost game two and three and total.
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renaissanceman517kak

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Re: Sandbagging vs Running up the Score
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2008, 11:09:46 AM »
Definite apples and oranges...in bowling you can't sit your starters and put in the scrubs...you can run out the clock, play four corners, kneel down with the ball, etc...you would have to intentionally throw bad shots in bowling, and if it's not the last game, you risk getting out of a rhythm for the next game...
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Re: Sandbagging vs Running up the Score
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2008, 11:29:29 AM »
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in bowling you can't sit your starters and put in the scrubs...


You can in Baker Style.  I have seen this done in high school bowling where one team was kicking butt and pulled their A players and put in their scrubs.
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Re: Sandbagging vs Running up the Score
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2008, 11:32:03 AM »
In other sports you have to worry about your "star" players being injured.  

secondly, how many times in baseball has there been an 8 run lead to then lose the lead.   What is an actual safe lead?  In bowling, if you are bowling scratch if you bowl a 300 you can't lose, only tie or win.  

In baseball it's never over til you have 27+ outs.  

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Re: Sandbagging vs Running up the Score
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2008, 12:09:33 PM »
I understand the concept of running up the score in a sport like the NFL, where when the game gets out of control, there's a good chance of one of  your stars getting injured, so it makes sense to take them out of the game.  You don't have the same situation in bowling, so I don't show any mercy and I don't expect any from the opponent.
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Re: Sandbagging vs Running up the Score
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2008, 12:16:55 PM »
bowling is always about shooting 300, as much as it is a team sport, it is still individualized.  Many times I have stepped up in the tenth and have won without even throwing the ball, but I at the same time have an average I am either trying to maintain or improve on, so I always try to flush those last three.  other times I have needed those last three to win.  The only time i ever throw off is in pot games when i have the match already won (of course this is after leagues are done)

the goal of the game is to score as many pins as possible, not to just win
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Re: Sandbagging vs Running up the Score
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2008, 01:08:23 PM »
1. You can shoot an honor score and lose a game or point in Peterson by having the higher handicap player shoot the game(s) of his/their life.
2. We've had several high handicap games be over 300 with scratch game and handicap added together.
3. Last year in handicap brackets,I shot a 257 game and lost to a 160 average bowler who shot a 215 scratch game.The handicap is based off of the average difference subtracted from 210.He got 50 pins.That was a $25 loss.............
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Re: Sandbagging vs Running up the Score
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2008, 01:18:21 PM »
How about the obvious thing nobody has mentioned. If you lay off, you are affecting your average. If you lay off, you are affecting your average in a negative way. If you affect your average in a negative way you can possibly have a higher handicap which you can use to your advantage in handicap leagues or tournaments. That is sandbagging and the USBC does not allow it. If you only bowl in scratch leagues and tournaments then you can lay off if you feel the need!
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