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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: bowlingman817 on December 31, 2015, 01:11:13 AM
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So what's everyone's take on this subject, is it safe to do and at what temp works the best if so. Was going to try it on some older equipment I have and need to know what temp to use and for how long.
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I'm not an expert, but I would say don't do it. I don't think that oven thermostats are very reliable and ovens (kitchen ovens) don't heat evenly or maintain constant temperatures from what I remember reading (here and on oven sites). Now, ovens that are made for bowling balls are supposed to have calibrated thermostats and even heating so those are used.
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I think that kitchen ovens because of their size, have areas that are much hotter than where the thermostat is located and they are designed to heat way above the setting and then cool down before heating back up again, so you will never know exactly what the temperature is at any given area of the oven.
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I'm not an expert, but I would say don't do it. I don't think that oven thermostats are very reliable and ovens (kitchen ovens) don't heat evenly or maintain constant temperatures from what I remember reading (here and on oven sites). Now, ovens that are made for bowling balls are supposed to have calibrated thermostats and even heating so those are used.
Edited to add:
I think that kitchen ovens because of their size, have areas that are much hotter than where the thermostat is located and they are designed to heat way above the setting and then cool down before heating back up again, so you will never know exactly what the temperature is at any given area of the oven.
Agree most wholeheartedly with all of the above,
PLUS
it is far too dangerous with the dripping of the oil and the real potential danger of the oil catching fire. That has happened.
PLUS if your wife or girl friend or partner learn of this, ouch!
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Kitchen Aid dishwasher set to Hi-heat..Works like a charm..I used a dishwashing tablet in there just as if washing dishes. Put a Hyper Cell and a Black Widow Legend in the bottom rack, turned the holes down. Let it go thru the entire cycle. The Cell really looked like a totally different ball. ball reaction is like new.
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I agree,dish washer is much easier, use setting for glasses or dishes dont use soap.
(The soap can remove colour in logo)
Not on Motiv balls ;D
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Soak it in a big bucket of hot water from the faucet...The max water temp should be no hotter then 135 degrees...Let it sit 20 minutes, dump out the water, wipe the ball down with cleaner and repeat the process...I can see the oil sitting on top of the water in the bucket.
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Kitchen Aid dishwasher set to Hi-heat..Works like a charm..I used a dishwashing tablet in there just as if washing dishes. Put a Hyper Cell and a Black Widow Legend in the bottom rack, turned the holes down. Let it go thru the entire cycle. The Cell really looked like a totally different ball. ball reaction is like new.
See what the Hi-Heat setting does in your manual.
If it does what I think it does, heat the water beyond what the temperature at which it arrives from your house water heater, that is a very bad idea. That temperature can get up to 180 - 200 degrees. The maximum temperature to which you should expose a ball is 125 - 140 degrees. Above that, in theory, the plasticizer, the chemical that helps urethane become resin, is extracted. Do that enough and you wind up with a urethane ball. :)
Heck, in many cases, the house water heater is set to 160 degrees which by itself is way too hot for a bowling ball. Both Storm and Brunswick, on every ball box, say specifically that subjecting a ball to more than 125 degrees voids the warranty.
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Depends on what type of oven you have. The more expensive convection ovens ($3000+)are much differ than the 600 dollar regular ovens. Don't heat the ball over 125 degrees and you wi be fine. If need be buy a kitchen thermometer to verify your ove temp.
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What cc said. Get a thermometer from Walmart for $15 and test your home oven. Most have a keep warm feature that gives you lower temps then the cooking feature.
Stay below 120 to 150 max. Or build your own set-up for under $100
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Kitchen Aid dishwasher set to Hi-heat..Works like a charm..I used a dishwashing tablet in there just as if washing dishes. Put a Hyper Cell and a Black Widow Legend in the bottom rack, turned the holes down. Let it go thru the entire cycle. The Cell really looked like a totally different ball. ball reaction is like new.
See what the Hi-Heat setting does in your manual.
If it does what I think it does, heat the water beyond what the temperature at which it arrives from your house water heater, that is a very bad idea. That temperature can get up to 180 - 200 degrees. The maximum temperature to which you should expose a ball is 125 - 140 degrees. Above that, in theory, the plasticizer, the chemical that helps urethane become resin, is extracted. Do that enough and you wind up with a urethane ball. :)
Heck, in many cases, the house water heater is set to 160 degrees which by itself is way too hot for a bowling ball. Both Storm and Brunswick, on every ball box, say specifically that subjecting a ball to more than 125 degrees voids the warranty.
In theory I agree with you charlest. However, I seriously doubt anyone's tap water from their water heater exceeds 120-130°F. Adding additional heat from a dishwasher may add 15-20°F so assuming a normal hot water temp of 120°F plus an additional 20°F from the Hi-Temp setting you would still be in the 140°F range.
But if someone has adjusted their water heater to a higher setting, then who knows. Best to check instead of blindly think it is okay.
I would be more worried about the drying feature on the dishwasher. I would definitely turn that off.
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I agree with Charlest and MI 2 AZ against using the oven for oil extraction. Motiv's standard warranty advises against exposing their bowling balls to a temperature beyond 125 degrees---probably a bit conservative. I am not sure of the warranty of other manufacturers.
My Nu Ball unit has a temperature gauge with a maximum of 145 degrees. I have never gone that high. I set the unit at 125 degrees for 60-90 minutes on the Sigma Sting which seems to work OK. I have a couple of Hammer and Columbia balls which I go up to 135 degrees for the same length of time---has been OK so far.
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Sounds like a lot of mixed feelings on this subject, might try the dishwasher first but I have a feeling you might get more oil extracted with dry heat by an oven.
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I had a customer put his ball in the oven a couple years ago. It spider webbed around the whole ball and he almost burned his house down after forgetting it was in there. His solution was to super glue the entire ball to "fill in" the cracks. Never the less the ball was garbage after that.
Do yourself a favor and go to a pro shop that has a rejuvenator oven and have it done properly.
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I have cracked ball before in an oven with dry heat and had many crack between finger holes..It is true that the dishwasher on hi heat does reach 180 degrees, but it is wet heat..boiling temps do not have the same effect on a bowling ball the way dry heat does. I just done a Track Power Machine, 10 years old, unbelievable the visual difference and the reaction is killer..Oh yea, I use the brand FINISH complete with full hi heat cycle..Oh, the track power machine just recently went thru a Revivor oven and its unreal how much cleaner the ball is after dishwasher..Try it on you nastiest, non responsive, oiler for yourself..You just might like it ;D
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Sounds like a lot of mixed feelings on this subject, might try the dishwasher first but I have a feeling you might get more oil extracted with dry heat by an oven.
NO MIXED FEELINGS AT ALL. DO NOT USE THE HOUSE COOKING OVEN FOR BOWLING BALLS!!!!
(Yes, I am screaming.)
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Kitchen Aid dishwasher set to Hi-heat..Works like a charm..I used a dishwashing tablet in there just as if washing dishes. Put a Hyper Cell and a Black Widow Legend in the bottom rack, turned the holes down. Let it go thru the entire cycle. The Cell really looked like a totally different ball. ball reaction is like new.
See what the Hi-Heat setting does in your manual.
If it does what I think it does, heat the water beyond what the temperature at which it arrives from your house water heater, that is a very bad idea. That temperature can get up to 180 - 200 degrees. The maximum temperature to which you should expose a ball is 125 - 140 degrees. Above that, in theory, the plasticizer, the chemical that helps urethane become resin, is extracted. Do that enough and you wind up with a urethane ball. :)
Heck, in many cases, the house water heater is set to 160 degrees which by itself is way too hot for a bowling ball. Both Storm and Brunswick, on every ball box, say specifically that subjecting a ball to more than 125 degrees voids the warranty.
In theory I agree with you charlest. However, I seriously doubt anyone's tap water from their water heater exceeds 120-130°F. Adding additional heat from a dishwasher may add 15-20°F so assuming a normal hot water temp of 120°F plus an additional 20°F from the Hi-Temp setting you would still be in the 140°F range.
But if someone has adjusted their water heater to a higher setting, then who knows. Best to check instead of blindly think it is okay.
I would be more worried about the drying feature on the dishwasher. I would definitely turn that off.
Believe me, I have heard the horror stories, YES, home hot waters heater can be sett that high. I would not trust dishwashers to add only what you want them to add. Check your manual to see if they specify the heat addition.
Don't let me stop you from doing what you think you should, but I try to err on the side of caution.
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I've been a plumbing contractor since 89' and your average home water heater can hit 210 degrees on its highest setting. Be careful with that !
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Charllest, how many balls have you swooped in an oven that holds a constant temp?
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Charllest, how many balls have you swooped in an oven that holds a constant temp?
I've been a plumbing contractor since 89' and your average home water heater can hit 210 degrees on its highest setting. Be careful with that !
Another one bite's the dust....hey!
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Charllest, how many balls have you swooped in an oven that holds a constant temp?
"swooped"?
What type of oven?
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That's Apple for you; baked not swooped? My guess is you knew that and took the easy out.
I have used my oven over one hundred times. Had one ball crack although I can't say it would not have cracked any way.
The oven was much more effective than hot water baths. Never had any fire issues. Did forget to put the drip pan in a couple of times which made the misses upset.
Finally bit the bullet and purchased a rejuvenator two ball oven. Since purchasing it I have had several balls crack. Again, can't say it was the oven's fault.
I guess an idiot can start a fire any number of ways, and can crack a bowling ball in about as many ways. The don't ever use your oven warning is, for the most part, a bunch of unsubstantiated bs.
An oven that heats evenly and that has an accurate thermostat can be used about as effectively as a rejuvenator oven if the person is willing to rotate the ball and wipe oil from the surface during the process.
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That's Apple for you; baked not swooped? My guess is you knew that and took the easy out.
I have used my oven over one hundred times. Had one ball crack although I can't say it would not have cracked any way.
The oven was much more effective than hot water baths. Never had any fire issues. Did forget to put the drip pan in a couple of times which made the misses upset.
Finally bit the bullet and purchased a rejuvenator two ball oven. Since purchasing it I have had several balls crack. Again, can't say it was the oven's fault.
I guess an idiot can start a fire any number of ways, and can crack a bowling ball in about as many ways. The don't ever use your oven warning is, for the most part, a bunch of unsubstantiated bs.
An oven that heats evenly and that has an accurate thermostat can be used about as effectively as a rejuvenator oven if the person is willing to rotate the ball and wipe oil from the surface during the process.
No, I didn't take the easy way out. If I have something to say, I say. I don't play games.
If you've been able to do the oven thing without harming ball or household I think you've been lucky and been intelligent enough to do the right thing. I still don't recommend it. I've heard all the horror stories here before and in this thread. Not everyone has $3000 oven that can keep temps within a small range and not everyone is cautious enough to do it . Guys have said, here in similar threads, that their wives or girl friends will not let them put bowling balls in ovens of dishwashers.
I would never try a home oven myself. I have tried the hot water bath with Dawn rbefore I got a NuBall oil extractor. No ball has ever cracked in it.
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Ideally hot water is the most effective method because of the density of water vs air. I use a diy oven but eventually will try a diy method with warm water that doesnt use a dishwasher.
It is about energy. Here is a video i did a while back in reference to the same subject
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Given the choices of no extraction, hot water bath or using my oven, I would choose the oven. I say this after facing these options for a couple of years. When the opportunity presented itself, I purchased a two ball rejuvenator oven. The rejuvenator oven makes the job easy, but if I did not have one, I would not hesitate to use my oven, making sure to keep the temperature around 125 and wiping the ball regularly.
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When all is said and done, it comes down to personal choice. Do what you feel comfortable with. I don't feel comfortable playing Russian Roulette, but many do. :)
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I would so NOT ever use an oven to bake plastic objects in my home oven where I cook food that I can't even imagine it.
When there are such great tools like adrenaline wipes or your local pro shops oven.
These will extract oil and be safe for you and your family.
Have you ever heard of BPA? Saving money vs health problems, oh my!
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/bpa/faq-20058331
Regards,
Luckylefty
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easiest way to do for me is 5 gal bucket half fill kitty litter or oil dryplace ball in pour more kitty litter in til can't see ball. I place 20 dollar space heater next to bucket rotate buck every half hour for to hours works like a charm cheap easy works great and you can reuse kitty litter then resurface if need to but it makes a world of difference and is safe for the ball it only needs to be warm enough to bring oil out which a space heater does the job. my .02 take it for what its worth just saying works great.
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Asked Innovative about the temperature range on their personal model was 125-145 . Best around 140.
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IMO, If you clean your equipment after every use I highly doubt you would need to cook the oil out of your ball. Improper surface management is probably more to blame for reaction loss over oil absorption.
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don't matter how much you clean balls these ball cover stocks have big pores I have tried both ways reactives and particles soak up oil. regardless if you wipe off or not. don't believe me leave you ball in your car on a hot summer day and watch how much oil comes out of it. it does affect reaction after about 60+games from my experience depending on the cover stock. but to each is own. my .02 again
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don't matter how much you clean balls these ball cover stocks have big pores I have tried both ways reactives and particles soak up oil. regardless if you wipe off or not. don't believe me leave you ball in your car on a hot summer day and watch how much oil comes out of it. it does affect reaction after about 60+games from my experience depending on the cover stock. but to each is own. my .02 again
I clean all my equipment on a spinner. one day I decided to try the heat extraction method with a box and a hair dryer. I used a digital meat thermometer and a fluke lazer temp gun. I got the cover's up to 125* on 4 different balls that I cut with 500 grit first. No OIL.
I took a buddies ball to see what I could do,he has no spinner. His ball instantly bled oil and I had to repeat the process 6 times before it stopped.
I've owned a spinner for about 20 years now and I've only experienced ball death once on a particle ball(Brunswick), my buddy has experienced it several times over the years.
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I have a question regarding the whole oil extraction thing.
While I've never tried the home oven method (and don't plan on it), the dish washer method or the hot water method, I have tried a different method on all the balls I currently own and have only got a slight amount of oil out of each. By a "slight amount", I'm mean the balls have a little oil sheen to them. No oil dripping off them like I hear and read about.
The method I use is a blanket warmer. If you've ever had surgery, or been in the hospital and they bring you a warm blanket, it came out of a blanket warmer. I do building maintenance at a hospital and work a weekend rotation, so I go to an empty nursing unit, empty out the blanket warmer and stick the balls in. I set the thermostat at 140 degrees (and these are calibrated thermostats) and walk away, checking and rotating the balls every couple of hours during the 8 hour shift. And like I said, only a very slight amount of oil comes out. And in case you're wondering, (or if this makes a difference), the warmer I use is a very small, countertop unit; just big enough to get two balls in. It's not one of the big, free-standing, multi-shelf units.
Since 140 degrees is about the max temp you want to use, why am I not getting more oil out? Is 8 hours long enough?
Thanks!
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8 hours is a LONG time!
How much oil you get out depends on a few things.
How often you bowl.
The conditions (Heavy oil, light oil etc.)
Some covers absorb more oil/oil faster than others .
How long between de-oilings
How good a cleaning regimen you have at the lanes.
I clean mine right after every series, put clean'n dull on it about once a week. Ipretty much don't get anything out of mine when I de-oil it.
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8 hours is a LONG time!
How much oil you get out depends on a few things.
How often you bowl.
The conditions (Heavy oil, light oil etc.)
Some covers absorb more oil/oil faster than others .
How long between de-oilings
How good a cleaning regimen you have at the lanes.
I clean mine right after every series, put clean'n dull on it about once a week. Ipretty much don't get anything out of mine when I de-oil it.
+1......
I have a NuBall unit, and I rarely get anything extracted from my own equipment. I throughly clean everything immediately after use, as well as wipe the covers between shots. Those activities seem to do the trick.
On the other hand, I've got lots of conditioner extracted from friends non-maintained balls. It's amazing how much can come out of an ignored cover.
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Hair Dryers in the US that are UL approved must shut off heating when the temperature is above 140°F.
I usually put the ball on a towel in a ball cup then cover it with a 5 gallon bucket. I prop up the edge and place a hair dryer inside so that the nozzle does not touch or point directly at the ball. Crank it up and wait. You can hear the cycling of the dryer as it regulates the temperature. I rotate the ball every 20 minutes. No problems. The only issue I ever had was melting a hole in the side of the bucket once.
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I would never, ever, use my kitchen (cooking) oven to rejuvenate bowling balls. Not only is it a fire hazard, but "baking" a resin ball releases dangerous fumes that not only can contaminate the surrounding air, but the residue will also contaminate food
that is placed in the oven. My advice. Don't do it. Protect yourself and your family from this potential hazard.