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spmcgivern

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Sanction Expectations
« on: August 18, 2015, 12:29:46 PM »
As usual, there are always posts pertaining to bowlers not getting value for their measly $20.  But I have yet to see what people EXPECT for their $20. 

What exactly do bowlers want?  Do they want rings?  Do they want a magazine subscription?  Do they want free massages between frames?

What do you want for your $20?
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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2015, 11:38:35 AM »
The local associations are responsible for collecting and passing average and honor score information to the national USBC for central collection. It provides us the capability to go to bowl.com and view historical information on all members. 
 
If my association does this competently, I'm happy and I feel my annual dues well spent. Having national tournament such as the Open Championships and the Masters available is icing on the cake. In all, there is real value for the dollar.
 
I think in general, bowlers expect too much from their local associations. The reality is that house owners decide the conditions we bowl on, and the structure of the leagues we participate in. They make the decisions that are best for their respective businesses -- nobody else. Accept this reality and you'll sleep better at night.
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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2015, 11:44:27 AM »
Quote from: kidlost2000 on August 19, 2015, 10:23:07 AM
Shouldn't that fall on the center not the Association?  Your house proprietor would be the one to talk to in reference to sport condition leagues or practice.

Shouldn't the association be a promoter of sport shot, not a dissenter?
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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2015, 12:37:17 PM »
The association should promote bowling in general.

Sport shot or otherwise doesn't matter. That is a centers choice.

I guess blame the association, it doesn't matter right
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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2015, 02:29:56 PM »
Kid- I understand where you are coming from, no argument there. I am just complaining that the association is like the 98% of stand left, throw right, shoot 675, drink beer, go home.

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kidlost2000

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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2015, 02:51:12 PM »
Quote from: Luvswatch on August 19, 2015, 02:29:56 PM
Kid- I understand where you are coming from, no argument there. I am just complaining that the association is like the 98% of stand left, throw right, shoot 675, drink beer, go home.



And?

Do they certify your lanes every year?
Set dates for your local association tournaments?
Run your association tournaments?
Set up and run a HOF Committee?
Have meetings to make sure these things are done?

Just because they are like most league bowlers and not wanting to be pros,  or bowl sport patterns doesn't mean they are doing something wrong.

Bowling is many things to many people.

You have to appeal to all of them as a bowling center, but its not always the local associations place to tell a center how to run their business.
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spmcgivern

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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2015, 03:01:05 PM »
Just to play devil's advocate, shouldn't the local associations be extensions of the national association?  At this moment, I don't feel USBC is actively pushing sport bowling but they were definitely the largest advocate of sport bowling a few years ago.  It came across to me they were trying to push competitive bowling towards more difficult shots, including leagues.  And if that was the case, shouldn't the local associations tried to implement or inform their bowlers of what the national association was trying to accomplish?

I realize the average bowler does not want sport bowling.  But to say no one does isn't correct either.  And by not supporting sport bowling AT ALL tells those who do want sport bowling that they don't count.  The bowlers who want sport bowling pay the same amount to the local association as those that don't.

In reality, USBC as a whole should be pushing the sport of bowling, not the recreational activity that occurs in 95%+ of the leagues in the country.  Let BPAA operate the recreational aspect and leave the SPORT of bowling to USBC including lane conditions and the such.
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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2015, 04:04:07 PM »
Just my 2 cents here:

USBC national is doing what it can to allow sport bowling to grow.  It has removed the special fees to join (separate membership) and the requirement of leagues to take weekly tapes.

Now it is up the each center to decide if a sport league can be "profitable" to them.

If in city X, the 2-3% of the bowling population who wants sport lane conditions cannot fill a league, why would that business owner offer the experience.

USBC is offering the opportunity for houses to have sport leagues and now include it in the standard membership with no other reporting requirements except to say you will use sport lane conditions of some sort.  They will never IMO mandate harder lane conditions to business owners.   

If you ran a business, and some sanctioning body told you that you had to run your business a certain way that would initially cost you potentially 20-40% of your current business, I'd assume you'd tell them to go F-O like I would.

"but the integrity of the game..."  The owner would say, "the integrity of my bank account"
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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2015, 04:18:46 PM »
Quote from: txbowler on August 19, 2015, 04:04:07 PM
Just my 2 cents here:

"but the integrity of the game..."  The owner would say, "the integrity of my bank account"

 
The above defines the reality of USBC league bowling today.
 
The House Owners rule to roost. There isn't a thing that the USBC (National or Local) can do about it. Accept this, and consequently accept that your local association is limited in the impact they can have on your bowling life.
 
Evaluate your local association based on what they have control over -- it isn't much.
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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2015, 05:06:37 PM »
Quote from: Luvswatch on August 19, 2015, 10:13:28 AM
Went to our local association meeting last year. Good ole' boy network. Same folks, no new ideas.

When I asked about a sport shot league, they thought I was crazy. One director asked me "what do I want to shoot 160?" and I said why do you go to Nationals and shoot 160? How about practice on a tougher shot all year? (Didn't want to hear that)

Well, we are having a sport shot trio league this year, and am ready for the meeting tomorrow. I bet we get none of the association members.

Thats a shame people are so stuck in Their ways. I personally have not Bowled in a Sport League but would be willing to try it.
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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2015, 05:48:15 PM »
Quote from: jasont230 on August 19, 2015, 11:23:55 AM
The fact remains that the number of bowlers that don’t bowl in USBC sanctioned tournaments, and are now in-eligible for USBC awards is growing. Small amount of money or not, if you literally get no value for your sanction what’s the point?

What does this mean?  You cannot win any USBC award in a USBC sanctioned league, unless you also bowl tournaments?
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Re: Sanction Expectations
« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2015, 06:42:21 PM »
I have a question. Are there awards for Sport Leagues?
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