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machine189

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Sandbagging
« on: August 11, 2009, 03:42:49 AM »
What are you thoughts on it? Are you for it or do you hate it?
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kidlost2000

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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2009, 11:48:47 AM »
It is stupid. Bowl and get all you can get. You will still shoot 150 at some point or another no matter your average.

I hate some of the travel leagues and other things that require sandbagging to keep team averages below a certain number and ect...

Or people that do it for low averages going into tournaments. F*%k'em.

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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2009, 11:52:37 AM »
no suchthing as sandbaging

IS call average management. Think of it as part of the game. Like the abilty to convert all splits
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machine189

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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2009, 12:20:51 PM »
Personally i think that if you bowl in multiple leagues then your tournament avg should be the avg the all the leagues you bowl in. Since its not i think i wanna sandbag therefore giving me a chance to win sum tournaments
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Big_Ernest_McCracken

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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2009, 12:24:04 PM »
There is such thing as sandbagging, and its against the USBC rules.

Rule 17a. #2 and #3

An individual can be charged with attempting to gain an unfair advantage in league or tournament play for the following reasons:

2.  Misrepresenting an average to gain a greater handicap, or qualify for a lower classification in an event.

3.  Establishing an average below the player’s ability to gain an unfair advantage in handicap or classified competition.

Penalty:  Loss of games, prize winnings, league removal (see Rules 115a or 115c), and subject to suspension from or denial of USBC membership.

Think about that the next time you "manage your average" nostick.
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mmcfarland300

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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2009, 12:31:04 PM »
While I agree with you Big_Ernest try proving people are sandbagging and even harder try t oget USBC to do something about it.
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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2009, 12:32:19 PM »
You are always going to have some of this.  It's too much trouble to get anything worth while.  Just bowl.

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BrunsMike

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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2009, 12:37:34 PM »
A friend of mine hates sandbaggers and yet he does it himself. Kinda hipocritical right?? I brought this point up to him and he's like aww naw man I ain't baggin!

Then when he entered a tournament with a 175 average he put on his full game, he only shot 7 pins over average for the tournament. Before that event which I was bowling in I shot +132 after 5 games. He was -90 after 5 games. He missed the cut to top 32 by 50 pins.

A week after this event he comes up to me and says "man I'm at your level you just don't know it". He don't realize that with all his sandbaggin he devoloped A LOT of bad habbits but "he just dont know it". He keeps saying that he's going to average 205+ this year blah blah blah.

I personally don't like baggers but it's all in what the other person believes in.
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Big_Ernest_McCracken

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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2009, 12:38:56 PM »
What I usually do when it comes to sandbagging or proving sandbagging is if I'm in a league and know someone is sandbagging, I'll look up their historical averages on leagues and print them out along with a few weeks worth of scores to see if they're sandbagging.

I know everyone has a bad week every now and then, but if you go from consistently 150s to consistently 200s or something like that of a big jump, I'll send in the info to the USBC and let the USBC handle it.

I've only had to do this once, and don't activly search out people to report, but if I know its occurring in sanctioned league play, I'll report it.

In any case, most well run leagues have ways to prevent this and this typically only happens in house run leagues.
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Oskuposer

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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2009, 12:44:55 PM »
I have been in a major slump for a year and a half.  I went from averaging 220 and 205 sport to averaging 185 and 190.  I might just quit because it is not fun anymore.
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bcw1969

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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2009, 12:44:58 PM »
I have too much pride to do it. Sure I want to win, as much as anybody, but if I am going to win something, weather it be a league where I have teamates or in a tourney where it is just singles, if I AM going to win something, I want to do it averaging the best I can. I don't enjoy bowling low....if my team wins any given in league and a bowled bad, the team win is a consolation, but on a personal level I will still be dissatisfied with myself for bowling bad.

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Bluff

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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2009, 12:56:10 PM »
quote:
A friend of mine hates sandbaggers and yet he does it himself. Kinda hipocritical right?? I brought this point up to him and he's like aww naw man I ain't baggin!

Then when he entered a tournament with a 175 average he put on his full game, he only shot 7 pins over average for the tournament. Before that event which I was bowling in I shot +132 after 5 games. He was -90 after 5 games. He missed the cut to top 32 by 50 pins.

A week after this event he comes up to me and says "man I'm at your level you just don't know it". He don't realize that with all his sandbaggin he devoloped A LOT of bad habbits but "he just dont know it". He keeps saying that he's going to average 205+ this year blah blah blah.

I personally don't like baggers but it's all in what the other person believes in.
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Only Sandbaggers worried about others Hdcp lol
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trash heap

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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2009, 01:01:51 PM »
Its definitely cheating! But it is very hard to prove. A true sandbagger will keep things quiet. They don't want to call attention to themselves. They don't get greedy they only summon the high game when neccessary.

Those keeping low averages in leagues for handicap in tournaments is who I consider to be the worst of the worst.

When you see anyone with an average below 180 and proceeds to shoot 650+ in a tournament (At a center that is not theirs) ... I think they need to be looked at. There should be red flags going up. I have seen this happen many times and thats why I don't go to handicap tournaments with exception of Local Association and the State Tournament.

What I find amusing is I have won some brackets with low scores...when those in the handicap brackets have much higher scratch scores than me.

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snowman4951

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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2009, 01:04:22 PM »
I wasn't going to chime in , but here I go. I have been burned by sandbaggers in the past.The are SCUM! That's why I stick to scratch anytime I can.How can someone feel good about themselves by cheating. They have no spine , nor do they have any confidence in their game. I am way to competitive to ever bag.Case in point, Last week I shot a four game set in league.I bowled an 807.My team took 4 out of 6 points.You'd think I'd be happy for the wins, and I was errr sort of. I average 224 and just the meer thought of missing a few single pin spares still kills me.I want to win with my "A" game against yours.Prove you are better than me.Beat me scratch, give me a reason to practice harder, try harder.I get such a rush bowling great bowlers.Win or lose knowing where I stand truly is so satisfying to me.Sandbaggers to me are so pathetic, If you are so good bring it.Stop hiding behind your small sacks!
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Contude

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Re: Sandbagging
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2009, 01:50:47 PM »
Kudos Snowman....I agree 100%
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