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ThongPrincess

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Sandbagging or Bowlers are Cheap??
« on: June 08, 2003, 11:54:32 AM »
Okay is it sandbagging for a bowler to throw a shot to get some extra cash.
Pchee has always said bowlers are cheap, so is it to be expected that a bowler will go for the cash even if it means dumping a ball.

First, we have Card 79 who gets $75 for a triplicate at the Hoinke.  In order for him to do this he needs to dump the ball rather than get the spare.  He does dump the ball in the channel, supposedly by accident.  Did he sandbag for the $75?

Second, Rick Wunder has a shot at $50 if he gets 1 in the 10th frame.  This would give him the 2 pair at the Hoinke.  He tries to pick off the 10 pin from a full rack.  He was unsuccessful, but did make the try.  Sandbagging attempt that failed?

Were they bagging or just cheap and wanting the cash?
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Re: Sandbagging or Bowlers are Cheap??
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2003, 04:16:56 AM »
Given the circumstances that the outcome is really based on a bowlers performance in one frame or one ball, and the bowler had to work to get the circumstances lined up correctly for an award, it would be hard for me to call it sandbagging.  Now if a bowler intentionally threw off for several frames or several games, definitely yes it is sandbagging.

There are those rare occurrences where it comes down to needing a specific pin count on one or two balls to pick up an award.  Well, it can be a challenge to actually get the desired count needed!  I still recall my first triplicate (meager 157)....I was up in the 10th frame of the third game, open frame in the 9th, and I needed 23 pins for the triplicate.  Well, it just so happened that I had not thrown a double during the entire 3 games leading up to this final frame!  Well, I got the first strike in the 10th.  Then, by some miracle, I got my first double of the entire night in the 11th frame.  Knowing that I needed a 3 count for the triplicate, I turned to the team captain of the team which I was subbing on that night and asked the captain "do you want me to go for the full count, or do you want me to go for 3?"  The team captain answered back "don't worry about the full count, see about getting your 3 count for the patch".  I took out the old trusty Blue Dot, lined up for picking up the 6-10 spare conversion, let the ball fly, and picked the 6-9-10 clean off the right corner for my third 157!  The teammates that I was subbing with went extatic, since they realized that I got an award on that shot......and, the team went on to win the point, so no harm was done.  I talked to the team captain afterwards and told her that I would have gone for max pin count on the last ball if the game was in jeopardy, but she said that she would have insisted that I try for the award instead and not to worry about the points!

I added a second triplicate award to my credit about a year ago....I got lucky one night and picked up a 227 Triplicate Series.

Edited on 6/9/2003 4:23 AM

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Re: Sandbagging or Bowlers are Cheap??
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2003, 09:46:30 AM »
Those crazy left handers.  She must be thinking of somebody else.
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Re: Sandbagging or Bowlers are Cheap??
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2003, 10:54:25 AM »
Baggers/money players or Hustlers.

Since most of us aren't good enough to win any tournaments.  I think some have gotten smart enough to win money in the optional side pots and brackets.  

I think most who play for money are not baggers but semi pro hustlers.

They are gamblers who set there own odds.  They bluff their way to stay at a level and turn it up or down when they need to.  They lose a lot of small ones and win a few big ones.  

Poker players, the good ones can win beat you with a nothing hand and a cash player or bagger will do the same when they want to.  Most of the time you will never know it.

Why do people go to tournaments?  Some go for the excitement or competition or comraderie and/or the money.

Most people go because they think they can win.  They are gambling.  They get upset when they get beat by better hustlers.

If it's about the money, the better hustlers/cash player/baggers are gonna win it all the time.  They don't are about the trophy.

In the movie color of money Tom Cruise loses so he can make more money in the back rooms.  A true money player/hustler/bagger will go for the money all the time.

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Re: Sandbagging or Bowlers are Cheap??
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2003, 11:35:36 AM »
I think its bagging.  Card79 actually made the spare in the 10th and had to throw a gutter ball on the fill ball to get the third 163.  He could have at least bought his teammate a drink with the 75 dollars, that makes him cheap as well.  TP was his teammate and Card79 tried to make us believe that he threw the ball in the gutter accidentaly.  Fat chance.

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Edited on 6/9/2003 11:39 AM
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Re: Sandbagging or Bowlers are Cheap??
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2003, 12:11:13 PM »
Nicanor I have a question.  Will this help lower my average at all.  Thanks for the pointers by the way peach was right you are the expert.
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Re: Sandbagging or Bowlers are Cheap??
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2003, 12:25:08 PM »
Card79,

Tournament average.  I know you didn't want to be re-rated.  Expert on Sandbagging?

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Re: Sandbagging or Bowlers are Cheap??
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2003, 12:48:51 PM »
Ya now that I reread Doc's post.  I think I like his take on it better.  Maybe I was just hustling and not bowling bad.
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Edited on 6/9/2003 12:57 PM

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Re: Sandbagging or Bowlers are Cheap??
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2003, 12:53:09 PM »
Nicanor That is exactly right.  I was trying to make sure that in my next tournament I would not be re-rated.  Thanks for pointing that out.  I had not even thought of that.  See this is why you are good.  Thongprincess I have to stick up for Rick here.  He is not a sandbagger for sure.  I may be, but he isn't.  If you remember on the first attempt to pick the 10 off he missed and second attempt he took 3 pins. So, no sandbagging from Rick there.

I just thought of something.  When my incident happened I was on the same lanes as Nicanor and When Rick's incident happened he was on the same pair as Nicanor.  The coincident here are starting to add up.
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Re: Sandbagging or Bowlers are Cheap??
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2003, 11:09:11 AM »
TP is just jealous that she didn't get a chance to 'bag.  
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Re: Sandbagging or Bowlers are Cheap??
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2003, 06:44:15 PM »
Sure, that's it I'm jealous I didn't have a chance to bag it.  The only thing I did was leave the big 4 and the only way to get paid is to pick it up.  Like that was going to happen.
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Re: Sandbagging or Bowlers are Cheap??
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2003, 07:37:59 PM »
Sounds like Thongprincess is upset that she did not know how to properly set herself up for cash as Rick and I did.
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Re: Sandbagging or Bowlers are Cheap??
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2003, 01:08:41 AM »
Card 79 I'm sure Sr Kegler would say I'm just being a typical whiney lefty.  I like your take better, I'm upset I couldn't set myself up for a chance to bag for cash.  I guess I just don't have that kind of skill.

Too bad the Viper wasn't even close to the ball for the lanes.  If I recall correctly, CB left a Sour Apple/Lily with hers.  I may have won $100 for that.  I must admit though I have never left it before, but I guess that would have been the time to do it.
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