Sandbagging is done by desperate people looking for an advantage because their bowling cannot stand on it's own merits.  Plain and simple...


I'd suggest getting people to start asking him why he's so desperate.  When people start calling him out and making an example of him the behavior might change.

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Early candidate for 2017 post of the year.

We have a bowling center in our area that is very run down, and poor lane conditions a lot of the guys who bowl there carry averages of around 20-30 pins lower than if they bowled somewhere else.and they bowl there for that exact reason. they always cash in the local handicap events. would you consider that sandbagging or not??

If they are bowling there on purpose so they can take a low average into handicap tournaments, then yes, clearly sandbagging.

Is it sandbagging to intentionally bowl at boneyards?

Is it sandbagging to intentionally bowl at boneyards?

If you were to call that bagging, I think you would have to also call it bagging if someone knowingly did not bowl at the highest scoring house available, which is a notion I reject.  I think if it's a certified house and the person is really putting the effort in then I think their average is within the parameters of what the system was designed to be.

How obvious is his sandbagging? 

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104a. Team Captain’s Authority

3. Be responsible for the conduct and attendance of the team in league play. It is within the captain’s authority to permanently remove any player from the team. If requested, good and sufficient reason for the removal must be furnished to the board.

Quote from: JazlarVonSteich on January 10, 2017, 09:27:09 AM

Quote from: jumba98 on January 07, 2017, 08:44:06 PM

We have a bowling center in our area that is very run down, and poor lane conditions a lot of the guys who bowl there carry averages of around 20-30 pins lower than if they bowled somewhere else.and they bowl there for that exact reason. they always cash in the local handicap events. would you consider that sandbagging or not??

If they are bowling there on purpose so they can take a low average into handicap tournaments, then yes, clearly sandbagging.

So in a city with Multiple houses every bowler should bowl at the highest scoring house or they are sandbaggers? What a joke dude.

I didn't say that. I said if you are purposely bowling at a low average house in order to take that low average and cash at handicap tournaments (at an easier house), then yes you are sandbagging.

The post said that these bowlers were doing it for that exact reason. Not sure how you can't call it sandbagging.

You can call my opinion a joke all you want, but if someone is doing the above, it is a clear abuse in order to cash. I'm not saying people should move to a different house. And I'd say the majority are not at that particular house specifically to carry a lower average into the tournaments. But for those who are, it IS sandbagging.

Let's just get rid of handicap. *Seriousface*

Quote from: JazlarVonSteich on January 17, 2017, 08:38:29 AM

Quote from: mainzer on January 16, 2017, 06:16:20 PM

Quote from: JazlarVonSteich on January 10, 2017, 09:27:09 AM

Quote from: jumba98 on January 07, 2017, 08:44:06 PM

We have a bowling center in our area that is very run down, and poor lane conditions a lot of the guys who bowl there carry averages of around 20-30 pins lower than if they bowled somewhere else.and they bowl there for that exact reason. they always cash in the local handicap events. would you consider that sandbagging or not??

If they are bowling there on purpose so they can take a low average into handicap tournaments, then yes, clearly sandbagging.

So in a city with Multiple houses every bowler should bowl at the highest scoring house or they are sandbaggers? What a joke dude.

I didn't say that. I said if you are purposely bowling at a low average house in order to take that low average and cash at handicap tournaments (at an easier house), then yes you are sandbagging.

The post said that these bowlers were doing it for that exact reason. Not sure how you can't call it sandbagging.

You can call my opinion a joke all you want, but if someone is doing the above, it is a clear abuse in order to cash. I'm not saying people should move to a different house. And I'd say the majority are not at that particular house specifically to carry a lower average into the tournaments. But for those who are, it IS sandbagging.

You can't automatically call this sandbagging. If someone is at that house and is trying their best, then it is not bagging. No rules a being broken. Unfortunately this is a flaw in the USBC. Until patterns are rated (weekly) it is all legal.

I don't understand this.  The person that wants the challenge, and not have an easy shot every week is in the WRONG?  Sorry that idea is messed up.

 

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