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J_w73

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Sanding a Particle Cover
« on: December 13, 2008, 04:10:08 PM »
I have heard that you shouldn't use sandpaper or Abralon on a Particle ball.  The reason being that it cuts off or breaks off the particles that are in the ball and therefore they will not be as effective.
I have heard you need to use Trizact pads.
Question is.... what is special about the Trizacts so they don't break off the particles. How are they made? How are they different?
Are the 3M scotchbrite pads similar?
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Jay

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Re: Sanding a Particle Cover
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2008, 12:29:35 AM »
I've heard Abralon is okay, just not sandpaper.  Not sure what's different though.
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Re: Sanding a Particle Cover
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2008, 03:48:46 AM »
The only particle ball I had that needed trizact was a pro active Zone from Brunswick. It had hard particles and a urethane cover. Most particle balls made now are reactive covers,much softer. I think it was ebonite a few years ago said to sand a particle ball to get all the track marks out(full resurface) then polish it to get the broken pieces of particles off the surface and finish with the  grit you want. Done this for years works well. Trizact is just a man made sand  the grit was like pyrimids ,I think, never bought it too expensive. Only good for one use.
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Re: Sanding a Particle Cover
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2008, 04:34:36 AM »
I've always done mine just like any other cover. Maybe I shouldn't have. CharlesT is the one to ask tho. This thread would probably be better in the Coverstock forum.
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Re: Sanding a Particle Cover
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2008, 06:18:11 AM »
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I have heard that you shouldn't use sandpaper or Abralon on a Particle ball.  The reason being that it cuts off or breaks off the particles that are in the ball and therefore they will not be as effective.
I have heard you need to use Trizact pads.
Question is.... what is special about the Trizacts so they don't break off the particles. How are they made? How are they different?
Are the 3M scotchbrite pads similar?


You kind of got the story twisted around a bit in time and with the abrasives.

ABout 8 - 10 years ago, Columbia used some very soft particles to add traction. Harder abrasives, like sandpaper and Trizact would cut those particles badly, virtually making the ball into a resin ball, having less traction that desired. With those it was recommended that people use Scotch-Brite nylon pads.

Only the older and original Brunswick-made particle balls (Brunswick, Lane#1, maybe some other company I've forgotten) needed Trizact pads. This was the opposite situation. These particles were so hard that only the super hard abrsive on Trizact pads could cut them.

Todays balls and probably every ball made for at least the last 8 years can use any abrasive you have on hand(sandpaper, nylon pads, Abralon, Valentino pads, or Trizact) to sand them up or down.

Lanemasters particles are harder than Brunswick's original particles. You can get good results using Trizact, but you really need their own diamond pads (Very! expensive) to sand them down. Lanemasters particles are diamond dust and something called super carbon, which is just as hard as diamonds.

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charlest

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Re: Sanding a Particle Cover
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2008, 06:21:20 AM »
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... Trizact is just a man made sand  the grit was like pyrimids ,I think, never bought it too expensive. Only good for one use.
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I still have some Trizact, since I have an old Riot Zone and do use it on Lanemasters balls. I find these pads last a LONG time, longer than any other abrasive. I think it's due to the hardness of the abrasive AND the design of the abrasive. They're shaped, like you said, like tiny pyramids, but they break off and reveal new sharp edges continually.
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Re: Sanding a Particle Cover
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2008, 09:33:41 AM »
It was Storm and Roto Grip who used rubber particles, and as far as I know they STILL do. These are the ones that you should not use sandpaper on.

Everyone else uses various "hard" particles and can be sanded with any abrasive. These harder particles made from glass, ceramic, (and who knows what else) have "edges" that smooth out over time. When you resurface them with sandpaper those "edges" become sharp again and that allows some extra friction on the lane.
 
For a test (to prove me right) take a Storm or Roto particle ball and polish it with any compound. Use some hand pressure, but not excessive. Your rag will turn black (due to the rubber particles).


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joeschmoe

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Re: Sanding a Particle Cover
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2008, 09:58:03 AM »
Where can you get Trizac from??? My teamate gave me his Fuze Detonator to resurface and Brunswick's website says OOB finish is 35 Micron Trizac...Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.
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J_w73

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Re: Sanding a Particle Cover
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2008, 12:36:35 PM »
thanks for the replies.. I guess this would be better in the coverstock section.. sorry..

anyway.. this question is about a AMB Centaur Particle..
I was messing around with it today and tried some 100 grit sandpaper on it. I noticed that there were some white speckles/dots all over the ball before and after sanding with the paper they didn't seem to be as evident.. I hit the ball with a 500 abralon and it seemed like all these white dots came out again..maybe these are the particles I don't know..
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charlest

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Re: Sanding a Particle Cover
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2008, 01:01:10 PM »
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Where can you get Trizac from??? My teamate gave me his Fuze Detonator to resurface and Brunswick's website says OOB finish is 35 Micron Trizac...Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.
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Trizact:

Here's one place you can get them:
WHITE: http://wwhardware.com/catalog.cfm/ProductID/3M5XNHH2T%20A00M
ORANGE: http://wwhardware.com/catalog.cfm/ProductID/3M5XNHH2T%20A05M
BLUE: http://wwhardware.com/catalog.cfm/ProductID/3M5XNHH2T%20A10M


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Re: Sanding a Particle Cover
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2008, 03:59:29 PM »
Visionary says hit it whith a 220 grit to get new particles then sand to 320 (or whatever you want to use I guess).
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