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Fluff E Bunnie

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Scorpion?
« on: June 24, 2007, 09:13:20 AM »

This scorpion pattern is confusing me.  I am wondering, what SHOULD the breakpoint be on a pattern this long?  

What do you think in terms of ball surface and a good breakpoint?  I usually throw around 14 - 15 MPH and I have probably lower med revs.  I am playing on pro anvilane.  I prefer to play straight especially on a pattern as tough as this.

I decided to take my solid ball down to 1000 which is low for me, but I'll see if that pays off...

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Re: Scorpion?
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2007, 06:14:45 PM »
Around the 10 board.  Depending on exactly how the pattern is applied and who is on your pair, it could be slightly deeper than 10.
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Re: Scorpion?
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2007, 06:32:22 PM »
Fluff,

  There is an optimal breakpoint for carry. What that breakpoint will be is determined by the oil length and volume.

  The scorpion pattern is oily, but the best results I have had was with an Impulse zone, drilled with a zero degree drilling, and set at 1000 wet sanded.

  The volume still let it get through the heads and the drilling+surface let it read the breakpoint smoothly and simply roll hard through the rack.

 The breakpoint for me was at about 48ft, on about the 10 board. Couldn't play much belly on the shot, but on a tighter line, had real good luck.
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Re: Scorpion?
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2007, 06:41:34 PM »
I found that this pattern it was very helpful to use surface early on and then move to a pin under ball once carrydown hit. Because the pattern has more volume downlane than up front, it makes for a tough go of things when the fronts push. I used a 360 grit Havoc around 10 board the first time I played this pattern, then jumped inside of it and played 13-10 with the same ball game one, made a 1-1 parallel move to the right to target 14-11 game two, then moved to my pin under Animal game three playing the same line as game two. Straighter is greater on this pattern, I wouldn't belly the ball too much.

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Fluff E Bunnie

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Re: Scorpion?
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2007, 07:38:45 PM »
Thanks for the posts!

The video on bowl.com seemed to be more about the pros bragging about who can get more messengers or whatever.  Not much talk about surface.  Well wait, Tommy Jones was calling people using the sanded balls "ladies" but that was the only mention of surface in the informative video.

This should be an interesting match coming up.  I will use the info you guys gave to have a bit more of a clue.  


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Re: Scorpion?
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2007, 07:39:56 PM »
I had great success up 10-12 area to start, migrate in as the pattern breaks down, bumping the ball to the same friction spot down lane.
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Fluff E Bunnie

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Re: Scorpion?
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2007, 08:21:28 AM »
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Because the pattern has more volume downlane than up front, it makes for a tough go of things when the fronts push


Can someone clarify this?  I am looking at the PDF for this one and it doesn't look like there is more oil downlane than up front.  Am I missing something here?  

I do see this on the Shark though...
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Re: Scorpion?
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2007, 08:39:58 AM »
The pattern description says:  "Scorpion incorporates a larger volume of oil placed further down lane which often demands a more direct line."

That doesn't mean that it's heavier than the heads, just further than most patterns we see. At least that's how I'm interpreting it...

The graphic would not suggest that oil down lane is heavier than the heads, either.


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Re: Scorpion?
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2007, 06:07:34 PM »
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I was playing up 10 with my Total Inferno at 2000 grit, and it was a better look than anyone in the house that night truthfully. Why? Because it was more pronounced off the friction with less over-all movement. Everyone tried to throw dull stuff and when it would burn up, they wondered why..Scorpion was easiest by far, for me. around 200 average for the night..I liked it.
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lol.. you forget your also left handed which makes it way easier to play the same spot most of the night while people have to chase the oil inside.
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Re: Scorpion?
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2007, 10:08:48 AM »
Update: Not of the "I shot 230 and 240 on the Shark how do I play it better" kind.

My 1000 grit ball worked better at the beginning.  I was striking fine in practice (which didn't happen before) and then once the game started it was really touchy.  Playing up 11 worked pretty good, but after a while this thing really confused me.  

After a game or so it became clear that I should not be playing where I was at.  

I spent all night trying to adjust around (adjusting roll moving around), crossing over, coming in light etc.  Near the end the ball would either brooklyn or skid and miss the headpin.  This is where my lack of experience kills me because I don't understand why it is happening.  It probably started in game 2 and I was able to make it work longer but by game 3 I was screwed.

I still won, but I wasn't happy with how I got there.  After the thing was done I start playing around with my shiny particle pearl and it seemed to work if I put the ball down and hooked it out only a few boards to maybe the 13 board (if I can remember correctly).  It was still extremely touchy (brooklyn or skid) but the better carry and the tiny amount of ball reaction as opposed to no ball reaction seemed to tell me that this is where I should end up.

I don't understand why the shiny ball is working better at the end unless we really grabbed all the oil up in 3 games.  I was thinking the Scorpion had a ton of oil so I don't get it.  One thing is for sure, I don't have the revs to really make this pattern easy like I see around me.  If I don't have a good strategy or a clue of what is happening to the lanes, accuracy definitely isn't enough to win.


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Re: Scorpion?
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2007, 10:23:22 AM »
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I was playing up 10 with my Total Inferno at 2000 grit, and it was a better look than anyone in the house that night truthfully. Why? Because it was more pronounced off the friction with less over-all movement. Everyone tried to throw dull stuff and when it would burn up, they wondered why..Scorpion was easiest by far, for me. around 200 average for the night..I liked it.
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lol.. you forget your also left handed which makes it way easier to play the same spot most of the night while people have to chase the oil inside.
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If you have revs on the left side you'll be chasing oil as well.  You just won't have to chase it every other frame.  And on the right side, if no else is playing your line you'll have a good shot for a long time as well. I've seen enough house hacks(including myself) who play the lanes incorrectly.
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Re: Scorpion?
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2007, 10:37:08 AM »
We bowl on HPL synthetics (which have a little more friction) and I am able to play a little further outside.. getting the ball to the 7-8 board area at the breakpoint.  I've had my best success with an awesome revs at 1000 grit.

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