Post by: mainzer on July 02, 2008, 01:54:52 AM
Any one else have the same thing going on your area's? Do you find this trend as startling as I do?
I think having few scratch leagues sucks if I don't bowl Scratch in Appleton we have to go 25 miles north to Green Bay 25 miles south to Oshkosh or 50 miles north west to Shawano.
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Post by: Phoneman on July 02, 2008, 10:02:15 AM
Post by: Krakken on July 02, 2008, 10:13:51 AM
PBA Experience there is one at Ft Meade both Winter and Summer on Monday nights at 7pm. Scratch trios.
Thursday nights in the summer at Perry Hall Scrach Singles match play league.
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Post by: Pinbuster on July 02, 2008, 10:27:50 AM
One is a 5 person classic travel league the other is at one house trios. Both are on house shots.
There are other capped scratch leagues plus a pba shot league but limited participation with 2 person teams (9 teams in league).
Post by: Phoneman on July 02, 2008, 10:31:32 AM
Post by: Pizzaguy on July 02, 2008, 12:43:34 PM
There is a Thursday Sport Condition league, a Tuesday PBA Experience league, and a Thursday doubles house shot league.
These are at Clover Lanes where I bowl, and I believe every house here at at least one scratch league (but I could be wrong).
If I have to bowl handicap, I'll have to think long and hard about that.
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Post by: JoeBowler on July 02, 2008, 12:48:51 PM
vast majority or THS scratch bowlers know they dont deserve their average and are afraind to compete head to head. They would rather complain about handicap and shoot cripples in leagues and tournaments.
Post by: backswing_aplenty on July 02, 2008, 01:21:34 PM
If the technology we have now was available in bowling's heyday, 50's to late 70's the same arguments would arise, but bowling would still have been as popular as it was. Because that's what you did in the 50's, you bowled. You not only bowled you did activities in groups.
There is still a huge contingency of senior leagues all over the country not necessarily because they have the time for them (that's a major reason though), but because that's their culture, it's what they did. Senior scratch clubs get more entries than some handicap clubs in the southern California area.
There's so much more going on in the world that affects scratch bowling more than "hook monsters" and typical house shots.
Enough rant.
In Southern California there are still a handful of scratch leagues. The biggest I know is at Del Rio lanes in Downey, 4 man teams, $20,000 to the winner, 6 teams that make the finals get their league fees back. We bowl on some messed up patterns too 1st round house shot, 2nd about 20 ft. of oil and stripped, 3rd 50-55 ft. of oil, 4th flat/reversed sport shot that's dead hooking. Lot's of fun, used to have all the PBA guys in it's heydays bowl, now we're down to 14-16 teams.
Many leagues have gone to modified scratch, with team handicap but individual match points scratch, or some other variant of that. Wish there was more, but it's up to us higher caliber bowlers to committ to the teams shoe up and bowl. The biggest problem we have getting teams is that no one will commit. They see a pretty good team get together and then won't join a team to try and beat them, and then they complain that there's not enough teams rediculous. SHOE UP!
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Post by: lsf_21 on July 02, 2008, 01:28:02 PM
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Post by: Krakken on July 02, 2008, 01:43:07 PM
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I did not realize the one at Ft Meade was scratch. I am not sure I want to bowl a whole winter league on PBAX.
We generally break it down into 3 10 week sessions. It is a great league. Lots of folks willing to help you with your game and big practice sessions on Sunday mornings when they lay the shot out for all to practice on.
And for the Joy Esterson fan club, she bowls in that league....lol
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Post by: nutsforbowling on July 02, 2008, 02:26:18 PM
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I did not realize the one at Ft Meade was scratch. I am not sure I want to bowl a whole winter league on PBAX.
We generally break it down into 3 10 week sessions. It is a great league. Lots of folks willing to help you with your game and big practice sessions on Sunday mornings when they lay the shot out for all to practice on.
And for the Joy Esterson fan club, she bowls in that league....lol
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Yep, I complained the whole season in that league that the left-handers never had to move on any of the patterns. It was a good league, especially considering that we won the roll-off with three righties. It's good to get hot at the right time. Unfortunately we will not be defending our crown. As for any other scratch leagues in the Balt-DC area, I know of none.
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Post by: janderson on July 02, 2008, 03:24:20 PM
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They are dead because the american competive spirit is largely dead and entitlement has set in.
You sure said a mouthful.
There are no scratch leagues in the Atlanta metro area and I've asked around quite a bit in the year since moving here.
You'll likely need to look in some of the bigger bowling hot spots around the globe to find good scratch leagues.
Would love to hear from people outside North America on this.
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Post by: Atochabsh on July 03, 2008, 01:42:41 AM
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Post by: Keith Frye on July 03, 2008, 11:06:39 AM
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As for any other scratch leagues in the Balt-DC area, I know of none.
For the past three years or so, a scratch trios league has run at AMF Laurel on Wednesday nights during the fall/winter.
Post by: Phoneman on July 03, 2008, 11:17:51 AM
Post by: Keith Frye on July 03, 2008, 11:56:18 AM
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Keith I was told that league was handicap not scratch. I was asked to bowl in that league lsat season but did not want to because I was told it was handicapped.
It is definitely a scratch league.
Post by: 9andaWiggle on July 03, 2008, 12:28:19 PM
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They are dead because the american competive spirit is largely dead and entitlement has set in.
vast majority or THS scratch bowlers know they dont deserve their average and are afraind to compete head to head. They would rather complain about handicap and shoot cripples in leagues and tournaments.
Yep! There's no greater joy than sandbagging below your true ability, and the whompin' the tar out of some lesser-skilled bowler in league! Makes me feel like a BIG, TOUGH MAN when I do that! Heck, if I could still beat up on 6 year olds in Youth leagues, I WOULD!
As sarcastic as my post above was, it's sad that
More often than not if you say to someone "Hey, wanna go $5 a game?" they'll immediately shoot back "How many pins you gonna give me?"
Sad, really. Competition is dead. I guess in today's PC world we're all supposed to win and never lose.
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Post by: trash heap on July 03, 2008, 01:07:30 PM
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More often than not if you say to someone "Hey, wanna go $5 a game?" they'll immediately shoot back "How many pins you gonna give me?"
Sad, really. Competition is dead. I guess in today's PC world we're all supposed to win and never lose.
This pretty much sums up competitive bowling in my area. There is only about 7 - 8 bowlers that will go head to head. The others don't want to do it unless they know they can win.
Post by: BrianCRX90 on July 03, 2008, 04:50:28 PM