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charlest

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Scream vs. Ascent Pearl
« on: February 02, 2013, 11:24:16 AM »
Has anyone thrown both with similar drillings?
(FYI I know what the BJI and BTM reviews say; they're not helpful so far, as they seem slightly contradictory.)

Also please don't hand me the company line. They're both really good balls; I know that. That's not what I'm after. I have the Scream and even with a length drilling, it's shockingly strong in the midlane for me so far. I really don't want to buy an Ascent Pearl and learn that it's even stronger. (Yes, I know I can modify the surface; I'm not ready to do that just yet.)

So my questions stand:
- have you thrown both drilled similarly?
- what's your style and lane oil amount?
- what are you seeing?

Thanks.
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J_Mac

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Re: Scream vs. Ascent Pearl
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2013, 03:18:40 PM »
FWIW, the local shop likes the Ascent Pearl for its calm demeanor at the break point.
His opinion of the ball seems mirrored by the BTM reviews. 

He doesn't rely on ball reviews from either BJI or BTM to form an opinion on equipment since he drills a high volume of equipment for just about every style out there.

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Re: Scream vs. Ascent Pearl
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2013, 03:51:09 PM »
I'm not anwering your question perfectly, BUT I have a Sonic X Solid and a little dullish as it's polish has worn off.

I also have an Ascent Solid with a little more diff.  Almost exact same drilling but the Ascent solid has a little more polish.

Sonic X with a touch less diff is stronger.  The Ascent however has not been used enough to develop a track.  As it was a righties before!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Re: Scream vs. Ascent Pearl
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2013, 03:59:13 PM »
Quote from: J_Mac on February 02, 2013, 03:18:40 PM
FWIW, the local shop likes the Ascent Pearl for its calm demeanor at the break point.
His opinion of the ball seems mirrored by the BTM reviews. 

He doesn't rely on ball reviews from either BJI or BTM to form an opinion on equipment since he drills a high volume of equipment for just about every style out there.


Any idea if he's speed dominant?
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charlest

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Re: Scream vs. Ascent Pearl
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2013, 04:00:04 PM »
Quote from: LuckyLefty on February 02, 2013, 03:51:09 PM
I'm not anwering your question perfectly, BUT I have a Sonic X Solid and a little dullish as it's polish has worn off.

I also have an Ascent Solid with a little more diff.  Almost exact same drilling but the Ascent solid has a little more polish.

Sonic X with a touch less diff is stronger.  The Ascent however has not been used enough to develop a track.  As it was a righties before!

REgards,

Luckylefty

I also have an Ascent Solid and a Shout. However the pearls are different.
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Re: Scream vs. Ascent Pearl
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2013, 04:19:07 PM »
Jeff... he doesn't have one himself.  The other main driller had one but didn't use it much since he is speed dominant and doesn't bowl in many long format tournaments...

The bowlers Dave recommends the Ascent Pearl for are generally what I would consider slightly speed dominant or they're looking for a piece that doesn't look like an invisible giant kicked it left (or right) when it encounters friction.

He sees it as a mild, but continuous, reaction.
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Re: Scream vs. Ascent Pearl
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2013, 05:30:52 PM »
I own the Scream and I can tell you that it's deceptively strong in the friction, however it tends to get squirty as you move inward, as most pearls will. With a strong drill, the ball is easier to read but it tends to get sideways.
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charlest

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Re: Scream vs. Ascent Pearl
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2013, 05:40:33 PM »
Quote from: Rightycomplex on February 02, 2013, 05:30:52 PM
I own the Scream and I can tell you that it's deceptively strong in the friction, however it tends to get squirty as you move inward, as most pearls will. With a strong drill, the ball is easier to read but it tends to get sideways.

You don't have to tell me; that's exactly my problem with it right now. Mine is drilled far from strong: 5.5" pin-PAP, approx 50 degree VAL angle. My major problem right now is lack of ball speed and strength - still recuperating.  Normally this ball and its drilling would be fine for the light oil I see, but, right now, it's even reading the midlane too soon. Thus my question about the relative strength of the Ascent Pearl. Beginning to think I may need a Tropical Breeze.
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Re: Scream vs. Ascent Pearl
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2013, 05:43:30 PM »
Quote from: J_Mac on February 02, 2013, 04:19:07 PM
Jeff... he doesn't have one himself.  The other main driller had one but didn't use it much since he is speed dominant and doesn't bowl in many long format tournaments...

The bowlers Dave recommends the Ascent Pearl for are generally what I would consider slightly speed dominant or they're looking for a piece that doesn't look like an invisible giant kicked it left (or right) when it encounters friction.

He sees it as a mild, but continuous, reaction.


Thanks, Jon. Both these balls are on the strong-ish side. Like many "weak" balls in today's environment, they're weak for the speed dominant or those with matched revs/speed.

I really like the Ascent Solid for a medium oil sport pattern.
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Re: Scream vs. Ascent Pearl
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2013, 11:54:23 AM »
Charlest i have not rolled the scream. But i have an ascent. I am rev and speed dominant and last night was the first chance i have had to roll it on the burn and it was to much ball. It may have been my fault as i tend to throw the ball harder the farther i move left in turn imparting more revs. It is something i have been working on but not doing to well with it.

I do love the ascent when the lanes open up. On the fresh it doesn't pick up soon enough and i will ping 10's or deal with O/U as i move trying to get it to finish a little more into the head pin. It fits right where i wanted it to, it is under my mutant but above my natural.
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Re: Scream vs. Ascent Pearl
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2013, 12:39:08 PM »
You can't be both rev and speed dominant... one has to stand out above the other. This is a comparison of personal stats, not a comparison of your stats to others you bowl with.
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Re: Scream vs. Ascent Pearl
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2013, 01:17:37 PM »
Ok i agree, and see your point J_Mac. So i would say am rev dominant.

And i forgot to add that on the burn the Ascent was reading the mids early.
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Re: Scream vs. Ascent Pearl
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2013, 01:24:29 PM »
Thanks, Jon, for clarifying that for BigBaller.
Thanks, BigBaller, for your contribution.
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Re: Scream vs. Ascent Pearl
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2013, 03:27:35 PM »
charlest, I don't have the Scream, but I have both Ascents (solid and pearl) drilled exactly the same.


The pearl is a predictable step down from the solid. When I have a good look with the solid and the mids start to go, I can switch to the pearl and continue with the same look. It's a nice 1-2 punch when the Ascent is the right match to the lanes.


What I find interesting is the there isn't always a predictable connection between the solid/pearl versions of the same ball. I also have the Motiv Primal Impulse (pearl) and the Primal Scream (solid) drilled the same. The Primal Scream rolls much heavier and has a different feel, even on much more oil. I like it, but it doesn't fit the 1-2 punch like I get with the Ascents. Go figure....


 
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Re: Scream vs. Ascent Pearl
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2013, 10:01:52 PM »
Quote from: Steven on February 03, 2013, 03:27:35 PM
charlest, I don't have the Scream, but I have both Ascents (solid and pearl) drilled exactly the same.

The pearl is a predictable step down from the solid. When I have a good look with the solid and the mids start to go, I can switch to the pearl and continue with the same look. It's a nice 1-2 punch when the Ascent is the right match to the lanes.


Steven,

Thanks for your considered reply.
My Ascent Solid is strong enough to handle true medium sport oil in my other league. So it is my fear that the Pearl is just an appropriate step down from it. I had thought the Scream would be milder. I think it & its solid brother, the Shout, are of equal strength to the Ascents. I really needed a light oil ball. I think my recourse is to take the surface  of the Scream down a notch or so.

As stated my strength is not yet returned, from the 3 months I had to take off. I hope to return to 15 lb. balls and my previous ball speed so this kind of discussion won't be necessary in the near future.
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