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tomgriffin

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Screwed by Boonton Lanes Over a Rigged Prize Fund
« on: August 11, 2009, 06:30:09 AM »
We're a four person team - me and my pal just started bowling again after a few years and we have two ladies that just started bowling (their first league). We joined a small, non-competitive 10 team summer league to have a good time and introduce the girls to league.

We ended up clinching the league, much to the dismay of a handful of house teams who came up with every excuse in the book about why we didn't deserve to win (sandbagging was their hot topic). Yes - it's true that we're not that consistent as we just started up bowling again - but we're not sandbagging. We knew these teams complained to the house, but we shrugged it off. We figured they were just sore losers.

Despite the USBC rules and the league's bylaws, no prize fund was ever distributed until the second to last week of bowling. By this time we had already clinched the league. What we got was the flattest prize fund I've ever seen, with only a $30 difference between 1st and 2nd place. Let's just say we were really disappointed with the distribution and wished we had a chance to propose a prize fund from the start versus having this prize fund pushed on us in the second to last week of league.

I went up to the desk and asked the obvious questions - why wasn't the prize fund voted on? why wasn't it distributed earlier? why was it made so late (we know it was made in the 2nd half of the league because a team dropped out and the prize fund reflects that - and all the numbers are even so its not like they just took the money out equally). There were no answers to any of these questions - just an attitude as if I was wrong for questioning it.

I told them that I would be filing a protest with the USBC due to mismanagement of the league (the house runs the league and fills all officer spots). I was told, point blank by the house, that if I do that I can expect several written protests against my team for sandbagging and that we'll end up getting nothing.

Wow.

So we wanted to get all of the score sheets to prove that we weren't sandbagging. We were going to recalculate all of the points based upon much higher averages and prove out that we could have averaged much higher and still won. We asked the house for the score sheets. They gave us the score sheets cut in half, with only our scores visible. They refused to give us the entire sheets.

Wow again.

So tonight is the last week of league. We bowl last place because we clinched - and totally expect attitude from every team and the house. There's no win in filing a protest against the house because at the end of the day there is a rule that the president has all authority over the prize fund if it was not voted on by the league. So we have at least found some humor in it - check out our video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED94ahjOPn0

And remember - ALWAYS make sure they follow the rules about the prize fund. We think the house was out to screw us. It's the only reason things have panned out this way. Interested to hear if anyone else has had similar problems where you have teams influencing how the house runs leagues/make decisions/favors bowlers/etc...

TG

 

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Re: Screwed by Boonton Lanes Over a Rigged Prize Fund
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2009, 02:44:10 PM »
$30 difference between first and second place?  That ain't bad.  I bowl in a couple leagues where there is a $2 and $5 graduation between all places.

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Re: Screwed by Boonton Lanes Over a Rigged Prize Fund
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2009, 02:50:52 PM »
Flat distribution in a summer league is pretty much how it's done these days.

However, their refusal to provide you with records is a different matter, as is their accusation of sandbagging against your team. You're not going to get any relief on the prize fund but you might get the house in trouble for violating USBC rules as part of its role as league secretary. Either way, you're not going to get much.

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Re: Screwed by Boonton Lanes Over a Rigged Prize Fund
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2009, 02:53:59 PM »
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We joined a small, non-competitive 10 team summer league to have a good time and introduce the girls to league.


Based on this ... It seems like the way they distributed the prize fund was correct. You were in first place and thought you should get more. If the prize fund was such an issue ... you should have looked it up in the first place.

I have been in the same place as you are now. My team won our Winter league one year. The previous years we came in third and fourth place. Based on that assumption I thought when we won first place its was going to be a lot more. To my dissappointment it was NOT. I asked and found out the league has been that way. It wasn't until my team won that I was concerned. I should have looked at the prize fund sooner.

Its too late. Thats why there should be a prize fund committee. The USBC has rules and guidelines. When they are not followed, problems occur.
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tomgriffin

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Re: Screwed by Boonton Lanes Over a Rigged Prize Fund
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2009, 02:56:27 PM »
And yes, Boonton NJ. Let's say my problem isn't with the prize fund distribution. It's with the total lack of transparency into the process.

1. Why wasn't the prize fund voted on?

2. Why wasn't it distributed?

3. Why doesn't it include an accurate breakdown of partial contributions to the prize fund (for bowlers that dropped out early)

4. Why was the automatic response by the house that people would protest and call us sandbaggers if I wanted to protest how the prize fund was issued?

Thanks for the positive notes on the video. Here is the link again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED94ahjOPn0

tomgriffin

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Re: Screwed by Boonton Lanes Over a Rigged Prize Fund
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2009, 02:58:46 PM »
They also refused to provide the prize fund from last year. My thinking was this - if I look at the prize fund from last year and it is a very similar distribution, I have no problem. If I look at it from last year and see a big difference between 1st and 2nd, I'm going to have questions about why it was changed.

Why would they:

1. Not provide full recap sheets.
2. Not provide the prize fund from last year.
3. Wait until the league is clinched to distribute the prize fund.

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Re: Screwed by Boonton Lanes Over a Rigged Prize Fund
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2009, 03:03:17 PM »
that video was pretty damn funny
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Re: Screwed by Boonton Lanes Over a Rigged Prize Fund
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2009, 03:06:45 PM »
I wish that I had enough time to worry about the prize fund in a mixed league and then use copyrighted material to back up my point.  Were you really planning on retiring on your winnings?

I mean no disrespect but I just don't see the point.
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Re: Screwed by Boonton Lanes Over a Rigged Prize Fund
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2009, 03:09:15 PM »
great video...."brilliant"

tomgriffin

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Re: Screwed by Boonton Lanes Over a Rigged Prize Fund
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2009, 03:13:30 PM »
lol @ urethane game...i'll be glad to take the video down if I get a cease and desist letter from the german production company that put that together.

as far as any action boonton lanes as, parody is protected by the 1st ammendment :-)

tomgriffin

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Re: Screwed by Boonton Lanes Over a Rigged Prize Fund
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2009, 03:14:44 PM »
@larry - I wouldn't bother. the caliber of bowler at Boonton Lanes is so low its unreal. Our league has a guy that bowled 300 but didn't break 600. LOL.

That said, we are contemplating returning in the Summer just to defend our title. I think the league would vote us out though.

tomgriffin

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Re: Screwed by Boonton Lanes Over a Rigged Prize Fund
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2009, 03:18:30 PM »
@4PinHatesMe

You misunderstood me. We were not looking for the actual cash. We were looking for the % breakdown of what each place gets. Per USBC it needs to be voted on by the 5th week of bowling.

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Re: Screwed by Boonton Lanes Over a Rigged Prize Fund
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2009, 03:22:22 PM »
I believe you misunderstood. He was looking for a prize breakdown sheet, not to be paid early. Something to the effect of the winning team gets $100, 2nd place gets $75... etc.

I'd say don't give them any business anymore. Take your bowling elsewhere and chalk it up to a lesson learned.

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I cannot answer the first two, however as to question 3:

I have NEVER been part of a league that distributed the prize fund BEFORE the league had ended. Each money league (all very competitive) has distributed the prize fund 5-7 days AFTER the final night of bowling.

Why would you expect your money BEFORE the FINAL STANDINGS for the entire league are determined? Just because you clinched FIRST PLACE does not mean that the final standings for the rest of the league were guaranteed.

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They also refused to provide the prize fund from last year. My thinking was this - if I look at the prize fund from last year and it is a very similar distribution, I have no problem. If I look at it from last year and see a big difference between 1st and 2nd, I'm going to have questions about why it was changed.

Why would they:

1. Not provide full recap sheets.
2. Not provide the prize fund from last year.
3. Wait until the league is clinched to distribute the prize fund.

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Re: Screwed by Boonton Lanes Over a Rigged Prize Fund
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2009, 03:25:54 PM »
It's a summer league! WOW is right.

tomgriffin

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Re: Screwed by Boonton Lanes Over a Rigged Prize Fund
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2009, 03:29:43 PM »
It doesn't matter if its a summer league or a fall league. A rule is a rule, no?