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3M Dust Remover

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Same Pin Placement
« on: March 20, 2009, 04:25:37 PM »
Is there anything wrong with having all of your equipment drilled with one pin placement? I have 4 balls, all pin above ring finger for length and backend movement. Each ball has a different coverstock and intended for different oil conditions. I play down 2nd arrow with backend snap into pocket, every now and the i'll move in and open up a bit. Is there anything wrong with all my balls drilled with the same pin placement?
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Re: Same Pin Placement
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2009, 12:50:03 AM »
Not really.  Everyone has a favorite ball reaction that makes them feel comfortable.  Jason Belmonte has all his stuff drilled pretty much pin above the bridge, cg at/near center of grip, and no weight holes.  He uses cover prep depending on desired length and lane conditions.  Most of my stuff is pin above and slightly right of the ring finger which would put the pin around 4.5 from my axis.
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Re: Same Pin Placement
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2009, 01:12:28 AM »
IMHO, you need a few different layouts to be truly successful on a lot of conditions. But if you just bowl house shots most of the time, there's nothing wrong with similarly drilled balls in your arsenal.
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Re: Same Pin Placement
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2009, 01:21:05 AM »
I would say not a very good idea. You will get the same tendencies,which may handcuff you. Check out Jeff Carters equipment. Same layouts in most but different pin positions. Which in my opinion will give you the different looks in what you may be searching for.
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JessN16

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Re: Same Pin Placement
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2009, 01:32:27 AM »
Some guys do, some don't. Tony Reyes was interviewed in this month's Bowling This Month and said pretty much all of his stuff is either pin under ring or pin over bridge. He didn't go into great detail but I get the feeling he relies on different surfaces or different models of balls for his adjustments. He said he traveled with something like 35-40 balls.

I like experimenting with different layouts, because I drill for myself and swapping used bowling balls around with other bowlers is sort of a hobby. But what I've found is you can get yourself into trouble if you're not willing to take big arsenals around with you.

If I'm going somewhere I can only take 2 or 4 balls along, I'll stick to pretty standard layouts and choose balls that I can adjust surface on rather easily. If I get to take my full tournament arsenal with me (7 balls) I might throw in a couple of specialty layouts depending on what I think I'll see at that house.

Since the number of layouts you can use is fairly infinite, I think there's the tendency to want to try EVERYthing and pretty soon you don't have a spare bedroom, you have an oversized ball closet.

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Jay

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Re: Same Pin Placement
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2009, 01:41:43 AM »
I think same pin to PAP distance is okay, but it's probably a good idea to change up the position of the pin as well as the CG/MB depending on the ball.  I haven't yet found a layout I particularly care for enough to use it on multiple balls.  As a general rule of thumb, I've thought about using pin up drillings for solids and pin down for pearls while using the same pin to PAP distance.
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Re: Same Pin Placement
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2009, 01:54:09 AM »
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I think same pin to PAP distance is okay, but it's probably a good idea to change up the position of the pin as well as the CG/MB depending on the ball.  I haven't yet found a layout I particularly care for enough to use it on multiple balls.  As a general rule of thumb, I've thought about using pin up drillings for solids and pin down for pearls while using the same pin to PAP distance.


why pin up for solids and pin down for pearls? I thought most people do the opposite?
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Re: Same Pin Placement
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2009, 02:11:33 AM »
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I think same pin to PAP distance is okay, but it's probably a good idea to change up the position of the pin as well as the CG/MB depending on the ball.  I haven't yet found a layout I particularly care for enough to use it on multiple balls.  As a general rule of thumb, I've thought about using pin up drillings for solids and pin down for pearls while using the same pin to PAP distance.


why pin up for solids and pin down for pearls? I thought most people do the opposite?


I don't know what he's seeing, but I also frequently use pin up on solids. It keeps them from reading too early and tends to make them strong through the midlane and be able to move sort of late without turning the breakpoint into a potluck.

Now, as far as pin down on pearls, that depends. If I'm going pin down on a pearl, I typically have to pay close attention to my surface. The most angular, skid/snap, backend monster bowling ball I have is a Storm Dark Thunder Pearl, which is supposed to be a fairly mild ball (Thunder Road core, XXX-Factor cover), drilled stacked leverage with pin under the ring. But that ball is an absolute freight train on the backend -- and it's way too much ball. Just about every pearl I've ever drilled pin-down, if I didn't scuff the polish off the surface, I had a ball that was too much to handle.

Typically, the solids I leave pin down are very aggressive but are fairly controllable on the backends. However, most are too early to use on anything short of medium-heavy.

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Jay

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Re: Same Pin Placement
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2009, 02:23:48 AM »
Just to be clear I was speaking for myself.  For others, it might vary.  I say that because I'm very slightly rev dominant(I believe) and solids tend to lack length for me so they require a little more length/oil than what I intend to use it for.  This might be a bad idea seeing as I'm mainly basing it off one ball that seems to be strong for most conditions I come across, it's just been a thought I've had.  

As for doing pearls pin down, despite my slight rev dominance, I think I struggle to get them to read the lane properly otherwise.  The only pearl I ever liked was drilled pin down.  I didn't have any other pin down pearls other than this one so it's hard to say it was because of the layout since it was only one ball.  It's possible it was just bad bowler to ball match up as well.

I don't think it's a coincidence either that just about every ball I don't seem to match up to is seemingly too smooth on the backend.  Not that they're really smooth, just not a big enough change of direction for me.  Not sure if it's just the backend movement alone or the overall read I get out of them but it's interesting that none of them backend like the balls I do like.  For what it's worth, the solid mentioned above is not in this group, it just needs enough oil.

Sorry for all the information but I was just trying to fill you in on my thoughts, as well as maybe get some opinions on my problem with pearls.
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Re: Same Pin Placement
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2009, 05:20:04 PM »
I don't see anything wrong with using the same exact pin placement on most of your equipment.  Just let the covers and cores seperate the reactions.  I have used this philosophy for a long time with great success.

If your building a rather large arsenal (6 balls or more) then maybe one or two balls with a different layout wouldn't be a bad idea.
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3M Dust Remover

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Re: Same Pin Placement
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2009, 05:39:23 PM »
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I don't see anything wrong with using the same exact pin placement on most of your equipment.  Just let the covers and cores seperate the reactions.  I have used this philosophy for a long time with great success.

If your building a rather large arsenal (6 balls or more) then maybe one or two balls with a different layout wouldn't be a bad idea.


I'm looking at a 4 ball arsenal + a plastic for 10 pins. I feel the same way, I'd like covers and cores to separate themselves from the other balls. I like pin high, for length and backend power.
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