I read up about this guy,and his stats are amazing.My question is,is he the real deal or just a product of soft house conditions . If he is that good why is he not making money on the tour.I also read somewhere that his sport average is around 186.If thats true it makes me feel good cuz mine is a paltry 175.So those of you who might know him feel free to weigh in...This is no way a shot at him or his stats so i hope its not taken that way....thanks

I have to love the people on here who say "well if he was any good he would be making money on the tour" LMAO - the pba tour ended years ago. Now it's 8 sweepers a year. You know how many guys make money on "your tour" about 5 at the most. You clearly have no clue. Aside from that you don't know anything about the guy you make comments about. You only wish you had a small percentage of his abilities and accomplishments. I happen to know him very well. You clearly are ignorant of bowlers in the country. You probably have no idea who Adam Barta, George Geohagen, Vernon Peterson, John Janawicz or Rob Gotchell are either and I can tell you two things about all of these guys....1 they haven't won any money on the tour either and 2 I would bet any amount of money and have any of them give you 100 pins on your pattern of choice even a house shot in a three game match. You would leave with your tail between your legs. You should know what you are talking about before you take shots at people.

I guess I'm out of the bowling loop as I have never seen these so called big money events with all the hacks.  Every decent tournament I've ever seen the quality of the field is at least on caliber with a PBA regional, if not better.

The advantage of the PBA Tour is they are bowling for more than just their own money.  Amateur events almost never pay out more than is taken in, have to pay lineage, and if there is sponsor money hopefully it will cover the tournament organizer's take out.

huh? really? I've not seen a PBA event worth the money the put in unless you are talking about the Masters or US Open... and they are getting shorted every year. It hasn't paid to be full time tour member in many years. While bowling the best is the objective, it actually pays to not be on tour. Yea we see the big names make decent money on tour, but your avg tour player makes at best 25K maybe per year.... you can do better than that flipping burgers.
If the PBA was the ticket, then why do you see so many guys bowling their guts out all over the world OUTSIDE of the PBA? Tournaments all over the world and hell, our Bi-Annual Orbdrillers Scratch Tournament pays more than ANY scratch tournament including Regionals on that weekend and have been graced by names like Patrick Allen, Jason Sterner, Lee Vanderoof(sorry for the spelling), FERO WILLIAMS, Danny Wiseman, Tommy Jones, Walter Ray Williams Jr., and many other PBA and Regional players.
To put it in prospective, you pay $3-500 to get paid maybe 10K if you're lucky on tour and $275-400 maybe to win $7500 at Big Regionals.... Our tournament pays 5K for $150 entry.... and its on an almost US Open like pattern so no advantages to anyone. Many other non-PBA tournaments are the same. Why spend 15k/year total to maybe win 25k/year on tour when you can take the same 15k and turn it into 50k or more bowling amatuer events. TAT, the Rhodman, Orbdrillers can all have close to if not much bigger payouts than most PBA events in a weekend for a quarter to half the cost of a PBA over the course of a week. So tell me, what the advantage of being on tour again?

AND for the record, to all the bashers, Fero Williams is probably one of the best bowlers I've ever watched and bowled against. The man strikes,.... A LOT..... ON ANYTHING!.... WITH ANY BALL...... PLAYING ANY LINE maybe ugly throwing the ball but he strikes a lot, LOL! To come on an internet website and bash someone you dont know and probably have never seen takes a special low. There are many guys who can go on tour and make a decent living but why do that when you can have way more opportunities to win just by the amount of tournaments you can bowl and make a great living doing it. At the end of the day, prestige can only go so far.
 

So if the PBA is the only way to be the all time best, what will be your measure in 5 years when there is no PBA??

And as far as Fero being good, hes not bad, he is no Kenny Ice but hes pretty solid.

And yes Kingof60ft is Fero he types EVERYTHING in all caps.

James,

First off, if you run a good tournament people will show up.  Thank you for that.

But the last thing I need is an economics lesson on bowling.  Here's the real economics lesson.  At the last WSOB there were 235 players that put up $750 each.  They bowled 5 tournaments over 10 days (including the TV show tapings) and the payout was over $500k.  Nowhere else can you bowl for that kind of added money.  That is the advantage of the PBA.

The PBA just announced a Summer Swing in May.  $750 entry.  Based on the payout of last year's Summer Swing the player will be bowling for at least double their entry fees.

I'm not saying it is a great time for the PBA or the payout are what they should be for what it is.  But it is the only place to bowl for this much added money.  Amateur tournaments have a tournament organizer wanting his cut, the house wanting lineage, 12.5% takeout on brackets.  Amateur bowling is like gambling.  There are a few that can make some money, but eventually the juice catches up.

I understand where you are going and agree that it is a lot of added money, however, what is the payout for 1st during these tournaments? Not to mention some of these great amateurs have jobs and can't take off whenever to bowl for week long tournaments. If you arent going to get your money's worth out of your PBA card then why have it? But I do see where you are going.

There have been way more "can't miss" guys try and fail than guys that stayed home gainfully employed.

There is a pretty steep learning curve for being competitive on the PBA Tour.