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Gizmo823

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Season goals, how are they coming?
« on: March 26, 2014, 02:28:19 PM »
Everyone has goals they set at the beginning of the season.  Usually I have several, but this year I had just one, I didn't want to have a single set under 600.  Yeah having score goals is kind of unpredictable, especially since one of my leagues is second shift behind a mixed league no less, so the shot varies somewhat, sometimes significantly, from week to week.  But at the same time, I thought it would be a good test of versatility, and because the only leagues I'm in are competitive scratch leagues, score matters.  It's almost like going to Nationals, every single pin counts, and honestly it's the name of the game.  I've had a couple close calls for one reason or another (the closest of which was having 379 after 2 and having an absolutely terrible look), but have pulled through, and now, 3 weeks away in one league, and 5 weeks away in the other, I think I'm actually going to make it.  My lowest set this calendar year is in the 620s, and I've only had 3 sets under 700.  Barring something crazy, I'm pretty confident I'll get it done.  It's actually taught me quite a bit too believe it or not, I didn't expect trying to score on a house shot would.  Anybody else out there with goals either still alive or already accomplished? 
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Re: Season goals, how are they coming?
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2014, 02:39:53 PM »
Throw a 300. have thrown 2 along with a 289
Throw 800. Not yet but almost, went 793 - 777 a couple weeks ago
Average 210. Finished 1 league at 210.5 still have 4 more weeks in another sitting at 211

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Re: Season goals, how are they coming?
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2014, 02:46:00 PM »
I agree setting goals is a good thing, but why is it all about scores? Wouldn't a better goal be something like....I want to finish night without having missed a makeable spare? Or maybe, I want to be able to say I hit my mark within 1 or 2 boards for the entire 3 game set? If you are bowling on THS these types of goals would better serve you than worrying about getting over 600 or hitting a certain average. If you do things like this, the scores will take care of themselves. Personally, I would rather say I hit my exact mark at the arrows and breakpoint with every shot and shoot 550 then shoot 750 and spray the ball across 5 boards at the arrows and 5 at the breakpoint all night.
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Re: Season goals, how are they coming?
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2014, 02:48:27 PM »
Still chasing my first honor score on a 5 man team.  Shot 263 Thursday (8 bagger/split/sheet) and 280 Monday, so I haven't lost hope for getting it done this season.

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Re: Season goals, how are they coming?
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2014, 03:28:55 PM »
That's the weird thing, trying to score has taught me more than trying to be super accurate.  When you ignore score in favor of accuracy, you're also ignoring DOZENS of other things including laneplay, ball motion, adjusting, preventing/managing transition, managing pressure, developing certain mental attributes, etc.  A lot of the goals are actually the same.  Missing makeable spares is pretty inexcusable, but why?  Because it costs you pins you shouldn't have lost, right?  I used to be stubborn about adjusting, I'd always say, "well if I could just throw it better I wouldn't have to move."  But to me that seems just as "dumb" because you're costing yourself pins on the front end instead of the back.

Yeah I totally agree I'd rather shoot 550 splitting boards than 750 completing an arrows tour, and that's how I used to do it.  But by doing that, I cost myself so much experience.  Trying to go for score this year taught me TONS of tricks, tons about laneplay, ball reaction, transition, instinct, etc.  And oddly enough, trying to score has improved my scores more than trying to be accurate ever did.  Trying to get pins whatever it takes has actually improved my physical game because I'm putting myself in more comfortable situations that allow me to bowl loose rather than tight.  Several times this year I've needed to be accurate, but several times I've also needed to get creative rather than just saying, "well I'll just make my best shot and I can live with the result if I do that," or in other words it's given me more INCENTIVE to throw a good shot.  Having a goal of making a good shot and NEEDING to make a good shot are on two different levels of motivation. Totally different perspective that I didn't expect to find.  I'm more versatile, I'm mentally better, and I'm physically better. 

Yeah, I used to just worry about making good shots, but knowing how to make good shots doesn't mean you know how to strike, and sometimes you NEED to strike.  If you've just been trying to make good shots and all the sudden need to strike, you'd be surprised how different those two are.  Now of course striking doesn't mean you threw a good shot, but if you've set yourself up so that you can still strike on the majority of bad shots, that's a good place to be.  I've known how to make good shots for several years now, and yeah I had some good sets, but I don't think I really knew how to BOWL until this year.  Haha, I feel like a shark now, all the sudden I'm the guy nobody wants to bowl or see in brackets, just used to be the guy that could be dangerous on occasion but wasn't really much to worry about most of the time.  I definitely get what you're saying because that's been my mindset for a long time, but doing something so totally backwards like worrying about score put me somewhere I didn't expect to be.  It's not like I was pushing and being antsy on every shot and getting pissy if my scores weren't great, it was just more of a focus on developing the skills to stay the course and be consistent. 

600 is a pretty low weekly goal, but depending on your situation it could be a pretty high season goal, and since I didn't get ridiculous with it, grinding out 610s and 620s  on rough nights still felt like success because I didn't lose my head or give up because I couldn't shoot 700.  Because of that it didn't make me press every shot, but it kept me aware and focused.  Now I'm loose, I'm having fun bowling again, my confidence is through the roof, and the negativity is all but gone.  Yeah I still strike on several bad shots a night, but at the same time, I kinda feel like I've earned some of those because of my laneplay.  Bowling is a game where people experience more disappointment than anything.  Strikes are expected, and when they don't strike, they're pissed, so fun can only be had with a LOT of strikes.  I've averaged 225ish for a long time, but this year I found a way to make shooting just 600 into a positive, and that's been a big part of why I've done so well over the last several months. 

I agree setting goals is a good thing, but why is it all about scores? Wouldn't a better goal be something like....I want to finish night without having missed a makeable spare? Or maybe, I want to be able to say I hit my mark within 1 or 2 boards for the entire 3 game set? If you are bowling on THS these types of goals would better serve you than worrying about getting over 600 or hitting a certain average. If you do things like this, the scores will take care of themselves. Personally, I would rather say I hit my exact mark at the arrows and breakpoint with every shot and shoot 550 then shoot 750 and spray the ball across 5 boards at the arrows and 5 at the breakpoint all night.
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Re: Season goals, how are they coming?
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2014, 04:09:08 PM »
Jorge-

Because score is the only measure used in our game.


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Re: Season goals, how are they coming?
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2014, 04:40:55 PM »
Gizmo,
    I guess I see things differently, not saying my way is better or your way is wrong. When I think of throwing good shots, that includes hitting the pocket. So I want to hit my mark, hit my breakpoint and hit the pocket solid. That should lead to strikes. So in thinking that way, it does inlcude the things you are mentioning as well. And if you are confident you can throw it where you want to, hit your breakpoint and hit the pocket, then theoritically you shouldn't be as nervous when it comes to needed to get a strike to win the game. I look at bowling anchor in a league similar to a closer in baseball. You have to have a certain mentality to be able to bowl anchor. Some very good bowlers, don't make good anchor bowlers. When I frist came out of juniors, and began bowling in a big money men's scratch league where I grew up, I was lucky enough to get on a team with some of the better bowlers in our area. But by halfway through the season, I was bowling anchor. I wasn't the highest average on the team, not even close, but I had the mentality to do it. If I screwed up in the 10th in game 1, I wouldn't be thinking about that if we got a shot to win in game 2. And more times thant not, I threw the strike we needed to win.
 
     I agree, part of the art of our sport is finding a path to the pocket where you can miss left and miss right and still throw strikes. But on THS that literally can be an arrow to either side of where you are aiming some nights. I don't see how missing where you are aiming at by 4-5 boards to either side consistently will make someone a better bowler. Yes, they may stay above 600 every week doing it. Yes, they may throw 300 doing it. Yes, they may hit whatever average target they set doing it....but are they really improving? Are they really becoming a better bowler?? You talk about how you think of league like Nationals every week. You can't miss your mark by 4-5 boards at Nationals and score well. Maybe your leagues have a tougher shot than most, I don't really know. I just can't grasp how just worrying about score improves one as a bowler.
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Re: Season goals, how are they coming?
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2014, 04:56:46 PM »
I agree with you Jorge.  Looking at score gives you a false sense of how well you executed your plan of attack.  I feel the best way is to try to control only those things you can control.  Where you stand, Where you slide, how you throw the ball, where you throw the ball.  What you can't control is how the lanes will take what you have done and the ending result. 

Can you learn from what the lane tells you?  Of course, that is the idea.  But I don't make a different adjustment when I leave the 3-6 compared to when I leave a 3-6-10.  I make the adjustment based on where my ball ended up and the manner in which it got there.  There are days I bowl great and score like crap and days I bowl like crap and score great.  The good score day wasn't a better day when you are honest with yourself.

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Re: Season goals, how are they coming?
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2014, 05:21:35 PM »
Proper practice is what makes one a better bowler.  But scoring is part of bowling.  The best bowler is the one that scores the highest the most often. 

There may be days that you throw it good and don't score, but that doesn't mean you bowled well.  That means you threw it well. 

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Re: Season goals, how are they coming?
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2014, 06:01:32 PM »
Had one big goal and that was to not shoot under 600 in my main league this year. I didn't accomplish that feat (and still have 4 more weeks to go) but so far have only had one set under 600 and while no excuse is a good one I was pretty ill the one night I didn't get there.

Overall i'm about ready for league to end as i've been to nationals and don't have too many tournaments on my schedule, and am starting to suffer a little burn out but it has been more of because of work knocking me down time wise than anything. I'm taking it easy this summer and look forward to next year and going for the no set under 600 and probably making a donation jar for every missed single pin spare or something to add spare game improvement as an incentive.
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Re: Season goals, how are they coming?
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2014, 06:23:42 AM »
Yeah I know what you're saying.  I'm not saying score at all costs and ignore where I'm throwing it, but that's part of the perspective.  Having score goals gives you more incentive to throw better shots than just trying to be accurate.  The goal is the same, the motivation is different.  In just worrying about making good shots, there's no motivation but that.  I never used to be as concerned about the outcome, if I made a good shot, I was happy with that, because that was the goal.  I made it more than just making good shots.  If I split the board I'm aiming at, but don't strike, in my book it's not a good shot.  Yes you get strikes most of the time as byproducts of a good shot, but making a good shot isn't the point of bowling, scoring is. 

If I'm ok with 550 because I'm making good shots, that hurts the team.  Sometimes the 10th frame comes down to the anchor bowler when it shouldn't have to.  If I get on a run of single pin leaves in the middle of the game, but am ok with it because I'm throwing good shots, that's not just costing me pins, it's costing the team pins.  By going after every single pin I can get like it IS Nationals, I feel like I'm helping the team more. 

No, there's a lot of nights where score isn't indicative of how well you threw the ball, but there's a LOT more to bowling than just throwing the ball well.  But it's not about the score being high, it's about getting every pin you can.  Like I said, there have been nights this year where I was satisfied with 620 because of what I had to do to get it.  I wasn't worried and pissed because I didn't feel like I scored as high as I wanted, I was happy that I didn't let it get to me and focused on getting every pin I could, it's very close to an anchor mentality. 

I REALLY get what you guys are saying because that's where I used to be.  I'm not trying to inflate my scores just to have big numbers to admire, but I've wondered for a long time why guys that don't throw the ball near as good as I do could most of the time absolutely destroy me.  Now I know.  I've got several tournaments on tougher shots coming up, Nationals included, and I feel extremely confident.  Being accurate is a very important part of scoring, but there's sooo much more to it.  I used to think all you could do was throw a good shot, but I was wrong.  Again, sometimes a greatly successful night can end in 620, but it's about getting every pin you can to WIN, not filling out awards sheets.  Trying to score still makes you hyper attentive to making good shots, but again, when you NEED to make those shots, it's a lot different perspective. 

Gizmo,
    I guess I see things differently, not saying my way is better or your way is wrong. When I think of throwing good shots, that includes hitting the pocket. So I want to hit my mark, hit my breakpoint and hit the pocket solid. That should lead to strikes. So in thinking that way, it does inlcude the things you are mentioning as well. And if you are confident you can throw it where you want to, hit your breakpoint and hit the pocket, then theoritically you shouldn't be as nervous when it comes to needed to get a strike to win the game. I look at bowling anchor in a league similar to a closer in baseball. You have to have a certain mentality to be able to bowl anchor. Some very good bowlers, don't make good anchor bowlers. When I frist came out of juniors, and began bowling in a big money men's scratch league where I grew up, I was lucky enough to get on a team with some of the better bowlers in our area. But by halfway through the season, I was bowling anchor. I wasn't the highest average on the team, not even close, but I had the mentality to do it. If I screwed up in the 10th in game 1, I wouldn't be thinking about that if we got a shot to win in game 2. And more times thant not, I threw the strike we needed to win.
 
     I agree, part of the art of our sport is finding a path to the pocket where you can miss left and miss right and still throw strikes. But on THS that literally can be an arrow to either side of where you are aiming some nights. I don't see how missing where you are aiming at by 4-5 boards to either side consistently will make someone a better bowler. Yes, they may stay above 600 every week doing it. Yes, they may throw 300 doing it. Yes, they may hit whatever average target they set doing it....but are they really improving? Are they really becoming a better bowler?? You talk about how you think of league like Nationals every week. You can't miss your mark by 4-5 boards at Nationals and score well. Maybe your leagues have a tougher shot than most, I don't really know. I just can't grasp how just worrying about score improves one as a bowler.
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Re: Season goals, how are they coming?
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2014, 08:00:02 AM »
Or let me put it this way.  What is the point of throwing a good shot?  Striking, right?  So if you aren't trying to strike or score, what's the point?  The only difference is that you're removing the reason for doing it.  Striking or scoring isn't important to throwing a good shot.  Throwing a good shot, however, is very important to striking or scoring.  You can't consistently score well if you're throwing bad shots.  My last two sets have been 796 and 772 at two different houses on two different shots on two different surfaces with the same ball.  I'm not sure how you achieve that spraying the ball around.  And the result of that 772 was winning our last two team games by a total of 13 pins.  Won the second game by 6 and the 3rd game by 7.  If all I'm worrying about is my accuracy, I don't shoot that set, and we lose a lot of points.  If I'm trying to strike on every shot, that means I'm not only paying MORE attention to my accuracy, but to everything else as well. 

If you spend the whole game trying to just be accurate and get up in the 10th as the anchor bowler needing all 3 . . well there's a pretty good probability you're going to make a good shot.  But all the sudden a good shot isn't good enough, you need to strike.  Surprisingly big difference.  You begin to make not striking on good shots ok, or trying to reassure yourself that it's ok that the pins didn't all fall down because you made a good shot.  It actually begins to remove your incentive or motivation for throwing a good shot.  If you're trying to score, not only do you NEED to throw good shots, but you need to stay ahead of moves, pay attention to your pinspots, watch where everybody else is throwing the ball and what kind of reaction they're getting, etc.  I'm not saying you aren't already doing that, but the motivation is different. 

I'm not going to come back from Nationals after shooting 1750 again saying, "Well, it's ok, I made good shots, and that's really what matters."  If that's all that matters, why are there even pins down there?  I'm not going to pay hundreds of dollars to go to a tournament where rank and payout is based on score and just worry about making the best shots I can.  I'm not saying you're completely ignoring your score, because obviously if you're making good shots, score should follow, but I've found out this year that's not entirely true.  In trying to score, I'm making better shots more often than I was when making good shots was my only focus.  I'd lost the whole point of bowling in the process, and I didn't realize that until this year, I thought I was still working and building when I was really just getting further and further away from what it's all about. 
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Re: Season goals, how are they coming?
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2014, 11:28:01 AM »
Well, Gizmo, I guess you are different, at least in my experience.  I don't need an outside influence to motivate me to bowl well.  I don't need the tenth frame with the score close to motivate me.  All I need for motivation is me, the lanes, and the act of delivering my ball over my intended spot.  That is all I can control.  Putting extra stress on yourself because the game is close and you need to strike out to win is the exact reason many people cannot perform in those situations.  It is why some people have numerous 10 or 11 in a row games and no 300s.  Every ball should be delivered with the same determination and zeal as the next.  10th frames aren't different, they are just the 10th time you have gone up to bowl in that game.

And if your 10-pins are making you lose games, they aren't good shots.  Then again, 10-pins usually aren't good shots to begin with, irregardless of the score outcome.

And didn't we (BR.com) recently say a good judge of how well a person scored is better determined by the relation of the score to all others?  550 could be a good set, if it was the highest set.  I might average 230, but if I open up with 550 my first 3 at the US Open, then I might be happy.

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Re: Season goals, how are they coming?
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2014, 12:18:10 PM »
irregardless

I agree that we should all treat every shot the same, but outside influence plays a major role, regardless of our intentions.

Sure, having no pressure, motivation, or prize will not hurt our shot making ability, but I believe that having a goal/outside objective can have a positive influence.

In every sport, you see the best individuals performing best when they need to; when they have that outside influence.

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Re: Season goals, how are they coming?
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2014, 12:22:05 PM »
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