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302efi

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Why are most of the used balls forsale drilled so strong ?
« on: April 02, 2011, 12:05:53 PM »
So on my used ball hunt I'm going over the FS/FT section and I noticed that about 80% of the balls are drilled pin next to ring or similar ? I understand that all releases are a little different , but chances are a pin right of the ring (righty) is a leverage position..even on these super strong hook monsters..lol
 
 -Do these people actually see oil ?
- Is the "proshop" doing this on purpose?
- Does everyone fluff the ball ?
 
Weres the pin over/under bridge or middle ?
 


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Re: Why are most of the used balls forsale drilled so strong ?
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2011, 08:28:26 PM »
Maybe thats why they are for sale.  Nice observation, I dont get why these "nuclear bombs" are laid out so strong either. Perhaps the owners selling these balls are tired of the balls flaring out and barfing downlane.

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Re: Why are most of the used balls forsale drilled so strong ?
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2011, 08:31:12 PM »
well why not get the most out of the ball. if you want a weaker reaction, get a weaker ball

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Re: Why are most of the used balls forsale drilled so strong ?
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2011, 08:45:20 PM »
i drill all my stuff pin over never tried below.

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Re: Why are most of the used balls forsale drilled so strong ?
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2011, 08:45:21 PM »

 
arickdm wrote on 4/2/2011 8:31 PM:well why not get the most out of the ball. if you want a weaker reaction, get a weaker ball

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I disagree here, these balls, especially the "big boy balls" I.e. Nanos, Taboos, Alpha Maxes, etc shouldnt be laid out strong for 95% of all bowlers for several reasons. The balls are already so strong they dont need help hooking, they need help conserving energy. Futhermore, it takes a lot of all oil to use these balls for substantial amounts of time (more than one game). Unless you bowl on a really tall puddle, wet/dry house shot.

Finally, these "weaker" balls arent all that weak, typically pin down with the shine knocked off takes away the overskid, friction sensitivity seen with these weaker balls.

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Re: Why are most of the used balls forsale drilled so strong ?
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2011, 04:33:31 AM »
The pin placement is only one part of the puzzle for laying out a ball and determining its reaction. I also wouldn't assume that the pin next to the ring finger was going to be a leverage layout.

 

If this is all your basing your judgment on, it is no different then the people you think your making fun of.


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Re: Why are most of the used balls forsale drilled so strong ?
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2011, 07:03:13 AM »
Depending on one's PAP, pin next to the ring could be strong or weak. For some drillers, that is a "one size fits all" drill techique.


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Re: Why are most of the used balls forsale drilled so strong ?
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2011, 10:12:05 AM »
For the same reason that manufacturers continually come out with stronger and stronger balls, many of todays bowlers have no idea how to release a ball in a rolling aspect, and rely on high friction surfaces and gyroscopic correctability built into modern equipment.

 

 And NO, I'm not "dissing" the way the game is played today, just stating a fact about how the game has changed and why balls, and drillings, are so strong these days.
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Re: Why are most of the used balls forsale drilled so strong ?
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2011, 10:38:17 AM »
No one is making fun of anybody, in bowling you got 4 different releases, so I'm not sure where you get that I'm trying to make fun of anyone.
 
-Fluffer, Stroker, Tweener, Cranker <<<< Are these not what they are commonly know as ?
 
Have you looked in the classified ads lately ? Lots of leverage, double thumb or x-holes past 6 inches right of span on ball that are todays's "hook monsters". Why else would there be x-holes that far out there ?
 
I'm not talking pin on axis or no controled type drilling either...
kidlost2000 wrote on 4/3/2011 4:33 AM:
The pin placement is only one part of the puzzle for laying out a ball and determining its reaction. I also wouldn't assume that the pin next to the ring finger was going to be a leverage layout.

 

If this is all your basing your judgment on, it is no different then the people you think your making fun of.


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Re: Why are most of the used balls forsale drilled so strong ?
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2011, 10:57:59 AM »
I;ve only heard of the last three. Fluffer could be mistaken for something else......

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Re: Why are most of the used balls forsale drilled so strong ?
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2011, 12:59:51 PM »
It just reads like your making fun of the way they drill the ball. Doesn't matter either way. Just how I read it.

 

Keep in mind that most proshop do not take the time to watch someone bowl, find their PAP, and go from there on making a suggestion for equipment, or drill patterns.

 

It is usually just a simple what do you want the ball to do? Which ball do you want? Then they drill the ball pin around the ring finger, MB near the thumb on the positive side of the ball. Then the weight hole as needed with no consideration for effects it may have other then to correct the static weights.

 

Most weight holes still get put on or around the bowlers PAP. Usually around 5" plus from the pin or so. This if you go by Mo's information on gradient line balances holes would be a P1 location that reduces performance.

 

As for others with P3 and P4 weight holes it may be drilled by someone with a little more knowledge trying to help someone whos says the ball doesn't hook enough. Part of the problem is likely to be too much ball for the condition. I think it is very common. Bowling for many these days is all about the hook. More hook equals bigger scores in todays bowling games.(think MLB and "chicks dig the long ball") Not the idea that a ball that hooks less and fits the condition will score better and enable the bowler to get in more consistent high games for a series as opposed to maybe the first game.


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Re: Why are most of the used balls forsale drilled so strong ?
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2011, 03:31:46 PM »
What is a weak layout for one person is strong for the next. I think it is funny that a lot of people think cause they put a 5" pin to PAP on their "hook monster" that it's a weak (length) layout. A 5" pin to PAP is still a high flaring pin to PAP on an asymmetrical ball.....And some people think that a pin down layout is a strong layout. It depends on what you think is strong. To me the sooner a ball gets into a roll the stronger it is (isn't that what makes hook monsters stronger than the next ball). So to me a pin down (higher VAL angle) or pin next to the ring is weaker than a layout where the pin is higher (lower VAL angle). When a ball is laid out 20 x 3.5 x 20 that is a strong layout....its all about matching the layout to the bowlers stats to getting a hook monster to roll good and most pro shops don't take the time to figure out the bowlers stats.....


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Re: Why are most of the used balls forsale drilled so strong ?
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2011, 06:46:17 AM »

Simply put, most people want to maximize hook, which is usually not a good thing for scoring.

 

If I know the bowler is rev-challenged then a stronger layout will probably keep them happy. We can always tweak the surface to compliment carry if necessary.

 

 


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Re: Why are most of the used balls forsale drilled so strong ?
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2011, 07:12:15 AM »
While I am by no means an expert on this topic, it is important to remember that no matter how you drill a ball  these days, 70% of the ball reaction is going to be generated from the coverstock and its finish, not the drilling layout or the core type.
 
At least so I've been told directly by the Brunswick technical staff.