Author Topic: Secretary fees (Read 5175 times)

JohnnyRocket · « **on:** August 11, 2009, 06:36:59 AM »

How much are most leagues paying their secretary?
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tekneek · « **Reply #16 on:** August 11, 2009, 07:59:35 PM »

well I can tell you 1st hand if you really want the headache go for it !!
My wife is a league secretary x 2 leagues and has been for 9 years the headaches for the fees are not worth the hassles she has to deal with, unfortunately no one else will step up to take her place. At .40 per bowler she gets approx $960 at years end on one league the other is about half that.
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Atochabsh · « **Reply #17 on:** August 11, 2009, 08:09:13 PM »

It is outgrageous when you start looking at the numbers. Many of our secretaries make more then $3000 a year tax free doing this. Some of our secretaries have 2 or 3 leagues. Depending on how much the center does and how much they delegate out things like award aps, and average request forms, the sec/tres may or maynot be doing next to nothing.

I don't have a problem paying them if they do the work. But most do not. We have to beg and plead to get averages out of them in a reasonable time. Many times we don't get a league sanction into the office until an honor award is bowled. Then they are scrambling to getin the paperwork for their league (and the money) they should have had in weeks earlier. Since we have assisted secretaries in their duties and clocked the time it took us to do averages and part of the awards from recaps, we figured it out to about $100/hour.
That's when the sec/tres do NOT have software to do a lot of this for them.

Erin

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tekneek · « **Reply #18 on:** August 11, 2009, 08:12:46 PM »

in your case you probably need to find someone to run against them and vote them out of their cushy office.

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Krakken · « **Reply #19 on:** August 11, 2009, 08:28:40 PM »

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only to someone that hasn't done the job. do you have any idea what goes into it?

To be honest with you ..NO I HAVE NEVER DONE TREAS DUTIES .. I have been Pres many times. Would I be SEC/TREAS for that FEE .. you bet! Now you be honest with me .. how many leagues have TREAS that are willing to GIVE UP the job?

Every league (98%) that I've been in .. at the season end .. they elect Treas for NEXT SEASON by the existing President recommending STATUS QUO on the officers and theres a unanimous YEA from the exiting bowlers! I don't argue the point that exception should be taking then .. BUT .. give me my prize fund and get this over with is the general feeling!
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Actually the comment at our league meetings is usually " WE have a sucker that wants to do it?" All in favor. Aye....lol

President is not 1/10th of what a secretary/treasurer does. .75 per bowler per night is more than fair. I get .50 for a 3 man team 20 team league. We keep it that low because the former secretary took a low fee to try to increase the prize fund ot attract bowlers to the sport league.

Hwe gave it up because it was a giant pain in the azz. He even went as far to pre-bowl for the first night because most of his time is spent dealing with sanctions/fee questions/rules and the like.

I don't mind doing it, but I don't look at it as a money maker. Plus you end up buying paper/ink/BLS software/rubber bands all kinds of little expenses.
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tekneek · « **Reply #20 on:** August 11, 2009, 08:39:51 PM »

Krak you are so right !!! Perfect League Secretary Program $200, end of year pay out envelopes, rubber bands, copy paper, printer cartridges, highlighters, correction tape, ink pens, paper clips, file folders, labels, time on the phone calling team captains, rewriting amended league rules, holding members hands filling out sanction forms, explaining their mistakes on the pay envelopes, collecting dues in the rears, editing and correcting recaps sheets, explaining why a team thought they won 4 but lost 4 due to improper use of subs handicaps, putting up with abusive verbal remarks from league members....priceless
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bowl400 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 11, 2009, 08:57:46 PM »

i said this in the other posting. for the most part, the biggest complainers are those who have never done the job. these same people are never to be found at league organization meetings where they could be voted into the job. i get .50 per person in two different leagues. it basically allows me to bowl for free. still have to pay for my own side pots and brackets however, the job does not pay that much

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tekneek · « **Reply #22 on:** August 11, 2009, 09:04:01 PM »

bowl400 I could not agree more !!! If you want to really see what they go through in a years time step up and get you some you will come away at the end of the 1st half of the season(if it takes that long)with a clearer attitude of what goes on behind the scenes and what reality is for a league secretary.
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GoDenny11 · « **Reply #23 on:** August 11, 2009, 09:20:27 PM »

What if you pay the league secretary .50 cent a bowler per night, and that person does 4 or 5 leagues, but that person also gets paid by the bowling center to do the same job. So this person is making let's say on one given night, 5 members and 20 teams and 34 weeks, that is 100 bowlers times .50 cent times 34 weeks. This equals nearly $2000 for one league. Not to mention that the bowling center pays for the programs needed, paper, ink, etc... and this person is paid an hourly wage that definitely is not minimum if you catch my drift. This is outrageous in my opinion but the owners seem oblivious to the actions...
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tekneek · « **Reply #24 on:** August 11, 2009, 09:43:10 PM »

I can assure you the program and everything I listed came out of our pocket, the bowling center want me to burn them a copy of the program, not happening, they had to buy it for themselves. And her position is not a paid position, she only gets paid from the secretary fees paid by the bowlers.
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storm making it rain · « **Reply #25 on:** August 11, 2009, 10:01:04 PM »

i have couple different points of view on this.

1. is it worth the money? absolutely yes. there is a ton of work to do when you hold these offices. from collecting the money each week, awards, score verification, etc. and yes some are alot better than others, i have worked with about 100 different treas/sec and 1 in 5 are really good most of the others are just par so to speak.

2. in this day and age, depending where you bowl most centers have BLS or some other league processing system installed on their network. so for me when i process the scores, which i have to do anyways, i can just use a simple mouse click to print everything from awards, sanction cards, recap sheets, and weekly standings. but remember some leagues dont want the "house" to be running everything. we provide the service of doing everything (with the exception of collecting the money) to all of our leagues.

3. and yes i hear the same guys saying "look how much this guy made for doing this league" and to those people i say have fun doing it because even with all the technology we have it still a pain in the rear with some of the people in this world.

just my 2 cents from my years in the business and as a bowler

JOE FALCO · « **Reply #26 on:** August 11, 2009, 10:29:45 PM »

Steve .. if your wife is doing the SECRETARY job without the assistance of the HOUSE (I think if you read back that how I qualified my opinion) she deserves the pay. If the house is keeping averages/preparing league standings/doing recap sheets each week/developing averages/validating points won .. then my comments stand .. OVERPAID!

Now TREASURER is a different animal .. they deserve to be paid .. to say that it's in the $2,000 range is RIDICULOUS!

Free bowling fee is sufficient (free bowling includes sharing in a PRIZE FUND they did not contribute too!)
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storm making it rain · « **Reply #27 on:** August 11, 2009, 10:34:13 PM »

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Steve .. if your wife is doing the SECRETARY job without the assistance of the HOUSE (I think if you read back that how I qualified my opinion) she deserves the pay. If the house is keeping averages/preparing league standings/doing recap sheets each week/developing averages/validating points won .. then my comments stand .. OVERPAID!

Now TREASURER is a different animal .. they deserve to be paid .. to say that it's in the $2,000 range is RIDICULOUS!

Free bowling fee is sufficient (free bowling includes sharing in a PRIZE FUND they did not contribute too!)

now this i kinda of agree with, like i said most centers already do the above chores if you will. but lets say someone writes down the wrong score(s), happens alot actually, the communication between the house and the sec. for record keeping is crucial to a league. but i do agree that getting paid $2000 just to collect the money is a bit over board if this is the case being spoken of.

Krakken · « **Reply #28 on:** August 12, 2009, 07:43:08 AM »

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Steve .. if your wife is doing the SECRETARY job without the assistance of the HOUSE (I think if you read back that how I qualified my opinion) she deserves the pay. If the house is keeping averages/preparing league standings/doing recap sheets each week/developing averages/validating points won .. then my comments stand .. OVERPAID!

Now TREASURER is a different animal .. they deserve to be paid .. to say that it's in the $2,000 range is RIDICULOUS!

Free bowling fee is sufficient (free bowling includes sharing in a PRIZE FUND they did not contribute too!)

now this i kinda of agree with, like i said most centers already do the above chores if you will. but lets say someone writes down the wrong score(s), happens alot actually, the communication between the house and the sec. for record keeping is crucial to a league. but i do agree that getting paid $2000 just to collect the money is a bit over board if this is the case being spoken of.

You think that is all the treasurer duties entail? collecting the money?....lol Look back to the first page and there is a great post from tekneek that includes dealing with the people about who owes what and why, chasing people down who think it is ok to be 3 weeks behind in a zero arrerage league, trips to the bank to deposit money, keeping the pay envelopes straight, tracking everything on a spreadsheet because by the 3rd week of the season you can't read the envelope anymore. Even if the house has the software you still have to resolve any disputes on the scores, run meetings, call the team capitans if there is a cancellation for weather/power outage anthing like that.

Great experiment that I think would change your mind. Take a league secretary/treasurer position this winter and you can come one here and give a week by week update on your activities. Then at the end of the season you can actually give an opinion that is based on your experience rather than speculation.

I think you would definitely change your opinion.
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dogman666 · « **Reply #29 on:** August 12, 2009, 07:59:30 AM »

As long as the secretary doesn't act like General Fransisimo Francisco Franco I have no problem. Some of the secretaries act as if they can say anything they want to you. You have to have a certain degree of people skills in order to get your point across without pissing off your boss (you). I wouldn't want the job myself but if you take it you also accept that some times things don't jive.

storm making it rain · « **Reply #30 on:** August 12, 2009, 08:11:02 AM »

krakken,

if you go back and actually read my origianl post, you will see i am in agreement with them making the money.(depending on the circumstance) and i have been the sec/treas of numerous leagues and know how much work it is. my point to my last post was due to the circumstance that was laid out by the above poster.

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