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Bowl_Freak

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Secretary fees
« on: May 25, 2012, 07:14:09 PM »
Is $4600 a lot for a 36tm league @ 36Weeks. Works up to almost $128 per week. Seems outrageous considering the house provides standing sheets and all.

 

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Re: Secretary fees
« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2012, 12:30:15 PM »
As a long time secretary in multiple leagues, there is a lot more work than just entering scores.  However, I have always been satisfied with just bowling for free, whatever that amount is.

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Re: Secretary fees
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2012, 12:56:48 PM »
The majority of your work is entering scores,  the "paper work" is not that difficult either if your a neat and organized person who has some experience and can multi task without distractions.

People work 8-10 hour days doing data entry and paper work and they are not making $128 for a hour or two worth of work.   

Data entry and minor paper work is a $10 to $12 an hour job.    Now I'm not saying it's not worth alittle more to the bowling league,  but at $128 a night for 2 hours of work at best is insane.

My take on this, is that these secretaries draw this process out and take so long that they seem to try to justify the price for their time.    Yeah I could do 36 teams (5 on a team) and take 8 hours to do it, and tell you all how hard it was, it took me 8 hours!   A full work day!  Pay me,   but when you clear the smoke and mirrors of this, it's unfair to the bowlers and the league at the end of the day.

I'm moving on from this subject, I know I wouldn't charge the league that much to do the work.  Wouldn't feel right, and couldn't justify making that much money, along with league prize fund money. 
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Re: Secretary fees
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2012, 01:43:38 PM »
one simple solution, at the captains' meeting before the season, would be to offer to do the secretary job for less $. of course that's assuming league officers have not already been voted in.

if this is looked at as blasphemy, than I'd walk. point is a lot of leagues are loosing teams (at least in the northeast) and something like this could turn a lot of average joes off. see the OP.

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Re: Secretary fees
« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2012, 04:17:17 PM »
12 X,
     Back from the Dollar Store I see....I think I see how you got your name, the number of times you had to take the IQ test and then the total score of all 12 of those tests. Being called a sucker sounds like a compliment coming from a cheap SOB like you. I hope you step up and volunteer to be Secretary of your league next season their 12 X, since everyone is such a sucker.....you can just rake in the dough for your 2 hours of work. And then you can report back after the season and tell us all what fools we are and how you got all that money for doing nothing. I have a feeling you won't, in fact I know you won't. Which makes you not only cheap, but pathetic too.
 
The secretary/treasurers in any league I bowled in, didn't bowl for free. They paid their weekly fees just like everyone else. Or in a few cases they didn't bowl in the leagues at all anymore, but continued to do the duties anyway. I assume you still pay the prize fund portion of your weekly fees?
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Re: Secretary fees
« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2012, 10:55:59 PM »
Nice to see where you stand on ripping people off Jorge.   You are allowed to stand your ground because you are threatened by people who no longer want to be ripped off.

The best secretary I've ever had in a league was one that had 14 (5) man teams.   He had paper work done instant, and had the league updated before you even got home from league.  Checks averages before and after bowling to make sure teams are legal.  Submits award scores to the USBC within a day of bowling the scores.   Always has every single form needed to be filled out.  Knows all of the USBC rules, and league rules.   Uses his computer, has the software and prints out league sheets for all teams.

This guy was paid around $330 - $350 for the season.   So let's do the math here.  14 teams ($330),  28 teams $660 and 32 teams $990 so and so forth.

It costs us $680 to bowl the whole season, and he got about $330 for his work.   

I've done secretary work before,  done all the work.  This guy is faster than I am, and I'm a good multi-tasker.

In my opinion he was under paid and should of at least gotten $680 to cover his bowling, and then money for the expenses (ink paper etc).  No way does that even equal $1,000.     $5,000 to do 36 teams is ridiculous.

Keep ripping people off, you are awesome!

I actually was at the Dollar Tree today.  I had to get two rolls of packaging tape.  I spent $2.12 there.   

Oh and by the way Jorge, I love your simple minded stupid attempts to insult me.   Just call me a idiot or whatever you want, instead of these feeble attempts at humor.  Your attempts at grade school insults are not that good.  Try rehearsing your comedy routine before you go on "stage".
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Re: Secretary fees
« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2012, 06:37:39 PM »
The amount mentioned in the first post is ridiculous. I've never bowled in a league that paid more than 50 cents per bowler a night and most have been below that. I have been secretary a few times and never got more than 35 cents per bowler a night.

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Re: Secretary fees
« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2012, 02:09:51 PM »
Don't forget the secretary when present is fully responsible for filling out and mailing out the forms for honor scores to USBC.

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Re: Secretary fees
« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2012, 08:17:13 AM »
The hardest part of being a secretary is the first few weeks with sanctions and the last few weeks for paying out the league. With most centers being able to do all the paperwork these days the work is pretty simple from week to week. Collect money, turn into desk, collect score sheets, and turn those into the desk. If there are any questions you have to answer those, if there are any problems take care of them.
For how badly most places are looking for bowlers best thing to do is to reelect someone. After that is done, put all that money the secretary was making back into the prize fund OR lower the cost of the league to try to get people to bowl in it. Could be a win win for everyone.

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Re: Secretary fees
« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2012, 10:12:29 AM »
Honor score are all done online! The bowler fills out the form and the secretary does the rest online!
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Re: Secretary fees
« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2012, 10:33:49 AM »
my thoughts as well.



The hardest part of being a secretary is the first few weeks with sanctions and the last few weeks for paying out the league. With most centers being able to do all the paperwork these days the work is pretty simple from week to week. Collect money, turn into desk, collect score sheets, and turn those into the desk. If there are any questions you have to answer those, if there are any problems take care of them.
For how badly most places are looking for bowlers best thing to do is to reelect someone. After that is done, put all that money the secretary was making back into the prize fund OR lower the cost of the league to try to get people to bowl in it. Could be a win win for everyone.

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Re: Secretary fees
« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2012, 10:59:28 AM »
Yes, the first couple of weeks are very difficult.  I know, I was secretary of a league for a long time.  But, if you're smart, you buy CDE's Bowling League Secretary software and it becomes a snap.  Most league secretaries do use some form of software now so even bowling for free for the whole year is exorbitant
Long Gone also posts the honest truth which is why i respect him. He posts these things knowing some may not like it.

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Re: Secretary fees
« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2012, 12:09:41 PM »
my thoughts as well.



The hardest part of being a secretary is the first few weeks with sanctions and the last few weeks for paying out the league. With most centers being able to do all the paperwork these days the work is pretty simple from week to week. Collect money, turn into desk, collect score sheets, and turn those into the desk. If there are any questions you have to answer those, if there are any problems take care of them.
For how badly most places are looking for bowlers best thing to do is to reelect someone. After that is done, put all that money the secretary was making back into the prize fund OR lower the cost of the league to try to get people to bowl in it. Could be a win win for everyone.

I agree....

Back in the 1960's era, I was a league secretary for several years and it was all done by hand with pencil, paper, and calculator as there were no computers, no software, and etc. to make the job easier back then.
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Re: Secretary fees
« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2012, 05:02:13 PM »
12 X,
    I see so it is ok for you to call people losers, even in big capital letters. That's not grade school humor in your mind. I see maybe I was giving you too much credit for those IQ test scores, maybe that 300 total was after you multiplied by 12. Keep up the great work there Skippy, and keep shopping at the dollar store, at least you are man enough to admit that.
 
But I see more excuses though. "I did it before", "He's a better multi-tasker than me"....blah blah blah. Put your money where your mouth is and step up and be secretary of your league. You think they are overpaid, then do the job. Then you can report back to everyone here and tell us just how little work you had to do to get all that money. You won't, cause you don't want to find out that it isn't as easy as you say it is. You won't cause you don't have the bowling balls to do it. You are nothing but a whiny little spoiled brat. Crying cause you think someone is getting more then you. Maybe it's time to finally grow up there dude, I know it won't happen, but it should.
 
It is part of every league meeting, how much are the secretary and treasurer fees. If everyone feels it is too much, change it. I have never seen anyone complain about these fees, ever. To some, that means we like being ripped off. To most, it means we accept that this is a job that someone is doing and feel they should be compensated for their work. It covers their bowling, their expenses and gives them some extra to cover the time it takes to do it. Coming on here and whining about it isn't going to change anything. Bowl_Freak asked a legitimate question, and half the responses are acting like 12 X, whiney little kids. For some reason, I still expect different when I come on here, I guess that is my mistake.
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Re: Secretary fees
« Reply #44 on: June 04, 2012, 06:16:54 PM »
You are delusional my friend and yes, you are the stupid one.  The things you type are insanely stupid.
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Re: Secretary fees
« Reply #45 on: June 05, 2012, 08:48:55 AM »
12 X,
    Just the kind of response I would expect from you. I think we should change your name to Summer School. Why? No Class!!
 
Didn't answer the question I see, just like I knew you wouldn't. All talk, no action, just the big internet bully calling people names. I have bowled in 3 states, probably over 20 different leagues....and not once, not one person has ever had a hissy fit like you over secretary fees. Not ONE! Again, if you think the position is overpaid, step up, be a man for once in your pathetic existence, and sign up for the job. Will never happen, internet bullies like you never actually DO anything.
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