Author Topic: Secretary Suspending Me - Need Help! (Read 13214 times)

KraZy · « **on:** October 30, 2009, 03:01:01 PM »

Quick story:

League Secretary, on his own, has decided to suspend me for an altercation over telling someone to pull up their pants. He, the league secretary, has been telling other bowlers that the suspension will be either 1 year or 2 weeks depending on my reaction when he notifies me in person this coming week.

Longer story:

The bowler misses a spare and proceeds to make a scene of all scenes and blamed me for it. He goes to the secretary telling him I did this while he was on the approach. He addresses the issue with me and I told him that was incorrect and was backed up by the insane bowler's team captain. I thought this was the end of it.

I take the following week off because I do not want to deal with the bowler the following week. My team captain tells me he was badgering the league officials over the incident all evening, and even bothered my teammates on my whereabouts.

So my team captain gets a call 10days after the incident and the secretary tells him I have been suspended for a year. But later said he over reacted and said it would be 2 weeks or a year depending on my reaction when they tell me in person. His mind is made up even after hearing the other team captain.

How can he do this? I dont think he can do this, at least from what I read in the USBC rule book. I need options, opinions, or something!

HELP!

KraZy · « **Reply #31 on:** November 02, 2009, 09:17:57 PM »

The secretary and president stated this was not a league issue but the owners decision.

If I go in there to bowl I'm sure I run the risk of being escorting out by the local police department. I dont think its worth that much, I'd hate to have to tell my boss why I spent an evening in jail. =0

BowlingWolf · « **Reply #32 on:** November 02, 2009, 10:05:29 PM »

Krazy,

You still haven''t explained what you mean by when you told the said offended bowler to pull up his pants, which caused him to miss a spare.

Did you physically pull down his pants?

Your story is incomplete, and if so many are against you, you''re not being up front with us here.

If you''re just venting over your frustration, that''s one thing, but if you''re bs-ing us to get sympathy for a crime you''ve committed, that''s something else altogether.

Clear things up.

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JessN16 · « **Reply #33 on:** November 02, 2009, 10:09:01 PM »

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A bowling alley is a public facility. While the owner may own the facility,he/she cannot stop you from entering the establishment unless it is posted as private property.
In my 30 plus years of being around bowling alleys, I've never seen the alley/building posted as private property. I HAVE seen the parking lot posted as private property to stop people from parking there who live in adjacent housing/apartment complexes and are not bowling/bowlers.
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That's not exactly true, at least not where I live. You can be trespassed from any business and if you are served with a notice of trespass, the next time you set foot in the place you can be arrested. The key is that you have to be served or the owner/manager/representative must at least communicate to the person that service is imminent. A business can refuse service to whomever it sees fit (provided such refusal of service does not constitute a civil rights violation or equivalent). Before you hang your hat on this, I would check what the local rules governing the situation are.

Having said that, I would do two things:

1) Call the center and confirm that the secretary/president did indeed have his/her blessing before banning you, to make sure the secretary/president isn't just putting words in the center's mouth,
2) In either event, follow the USBC policy on it.

I will also note that we've just heard your side on it and one-sided stories tend to get some of the rough edges cut off in the re-telling. I can tell you that if you came across as acting like an a**, even if you didn't mean to, and especially if you had friction with someone in the past, you may find yourself better off to just take your medicine and sit the two weeks. I've seen centers suspend or eject bowlers for weeks/months before and the decisions invariably hold up, whether the letter of the law says they should or not. In most cases, the decisions were deserved. In any case, it's very hard to fight back against it. But give it a try if you feel like you were really screwed on the deal.

Jess

sdbowler · « **Reply #34 on:** November 03, 2009, 07:39:05 AM »

The owner of the center can legally keep anybody out of their business. Unless there are more details that are not told going on here I can't see where the owner would kick you out of his business. As far as the secretary kicking you out of the league over this really makes me wonder what you could have done in the past. There has to be a lot of back story here that we don't know about. However as the others have said the secretary has limited things he can do. Now if it was a league vote to get you out of the league that would be different. Call don't email USBC and your local association to get info from them. If this were me I would want to get this taken care of NOW.
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Stan · « **Reply #35 on:** November 03, 2009, 07:56:08 AM »

Is this really a true story or are you playing with us ?

The owner wants your money and would not throw you out unless they had a real good reason. Were you causing a seen and would not stop, did you try to damage any of the equipment, did you do anything else that would have upset the owner ? I have seen and heard of worse things happening other than telling someone to pull up his pants during a league with no problems.

The only comment I could make is that you must be a complete idiot always causing trouble and no one in the league likes you, including the owner of the center or this story is completly made up.

renaissanceman517kak · « **Reply #36 on:** November 03, 2009, 08:16:31 AM »

Why would you be telling someone else to pull their pants up?

renaissanceman517kak · « **Reply #37 on:** November 03, 2009, 08:19:52 AM »

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He goes to the secretary telling him I did this while he was on the approach.

Well, when DID you tell him?

Kid Jete · « **Reply #38 on:** November 03, 2009, 08:31:03 AM »

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Why would you be telling someone else to pull their pants up?

Here's my guess. The guy told to pull up his pants was black. He was probably being a little hood rich and was sagging his pants. KraZy probably made it a point to make fun of the way he was wearing them. The guy probably told the secretary KraZy was being racist. KraZy probably has some sort of known history about things like this and thus they finally decided to act on it and suspend him.

I could be wrong but there's definitely a lot we don't know.

JOE FALCO · « **Reply #39 on:** November 03, 2009, 08:37:23 AM »

Jess .. good comment .. I agree!
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actsbowler21 · « **Reply #40 on:** November 03, 2009, 08:43:01 AM »

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Here's my guess. The guy told to pull up his pants was black. He was probably being a little hood rich and was sagging his pants. KraZy probably made it a point to make fun of the way he was wearing them. The guy probably told the secretary KraZy was being racist. KraZy probably has some sort of known history about things like this and thus they finally decided to act on it and suspend him.

I could be wrong but there's definitely a lot we don't know.

doesn't have to be black guys these days

Kid Jete · « **Reply #41 on:** November 03, 2009, 08:45:38 AM »

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Here's my guess. The guy told to pull up his pants was black. He was probably being a little hood rich and was sagging his pants. KraZy probably made it a point to make fun of the way he was wearing them. The guy probably told the secretary KraZy was being racist. KraZy probably has some sort of known history about things like this and thus they finally decided to act on it and suspend him.

I could be wrong but there's definitely a lot we don't know.

doesn't have to be black guys these days

The reason I say black is because then it makes it a race issue (assuming KraZy is white) and thus making a suspension more likely. I'm just trying to think like most people do these days. Either way I'm positive that's why he was told to pull up his pants, black or white.

actsbowler21 · « **Reply #42 on:** November 03, 2009, 08:48:26 AM »

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Here's my guess. The guy told to pull up his pants was black. He was probably being a little hood rich and was sagging his pants. KraZy probably made it a point to make fun of the way he was wearing them. The guy probably told the secretary KraZy was being racist. KraZy probably has some sort of known history about things like this and thus they finally decided to act on it and suspend him.

I could be wrong but there's definitely a lot we don't know.

doesn't have to be black guys these days

The reason I say black is because then it makes it a race issue (assuming KraZy is white) and thus making a suspension more likely. I'm just trying to think like most people do these days. Either way I'm positive that's why he was told to pull up his pants, black or white.

very true, didn't try to sound confrontational about it lol..

Kid Jete · « **Reply #43 on:** November 03, 2009, 08:51:52 AM »

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Here's my guess. The guy told to pull up his pants was black. He was probably being a little hood rich and was sagging his pants. KraZy probably made it a point to make fun of the way he was wearing them. The guy probably told the secretary KraZy was being racist. KraZy probably has some sort of known history about things like this and thus they finally decided to act on it and suspend him.

I could be wrong but there's definitely a lot we don't know.

doesn't have to be black guys these days

The reason I say black is because then it makes it a race issue (assuming KraZy is white) and thus making a suspension more likely. I'm just trying to think like most people do these days. Either way I'm positive that's why he was told to pull up his pants, black or white.

very true, didn't try to sound confrontational about it lol..

Nah I understand. There was no way for me to word that without stirring something up lol. Seeing enough of it myself, it was just my gut feeling as to what was going on. Bowling is one of the few things in my area that has a nice mix of races/genders/ages so you will always have confrontations like this. It's entertaining to say the least.

insidedrive · « **Reply #44 on:** November 03, 2009, 09:12:57 AM »

I didn't read every single post so this may be a re-post but I'll throw in my two cents.

As I saw someone mention, your league rules may have different scenarios that override this but regardless the secretary alone does not have the power to dismiss a bowler.

As a general rule, only a meeting of the board (consisting of all officers and in some cases all captains in your league) can make a decision on the dismissal of a bowler. If the majority rules that you should be removed from the league then you will not be allowed to bowl in that league.

As it pertains to USBC rules, they have no authority over any decision. Your league secretary can file a complaint with USBC which will initiate an investigation to your status as a "bowler in good standing". They basically check to see if you pay your dues, have you had an issue with this league or any other league before, have you cheated on scores etc. If the secretary's case against you does not hold, which in this case it would not, then it would be completely dismissed. As for dismissing you for a year, again this decision is up to the board. If you are kicked out of the current league it does not automatically dismiss you from a summer league or from returning the next year. For each season of this league the board will have to make the decisions on who is allowed into their league.

Bottom line, if he suspends you from the league without a quorum from the board then you can report him to USBC and his status as secretary will be removed and you can be re-instated to the league.

Your secretary is putting himself in a very bad position here, and to be honest, your President is not doing his/her job of trying to resolve the situation. Your next steps are to talk to the other members of the officers board, (President and Vice President) and plead your case to them. It's their responsibility to make sure that all officers are performing their jobs correctly and efficiently.

J_w73 · « **Reply #45 on:** November 03, 2009, 11:33:19 AM »

We have never even got the full story so there may be alot more going on than we know.. but regardless of what happened the league still needs to take the appropriate actions to properly suspend a bowler.
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