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seismic,lord field,motiv
« on: October 11, 2013, 07:36:37 AM »
been on this site for a while....and I'm seen them come and go...which company or company's will be successful and who will fail...or are all three going to survive...so show your support....lane 1 i still around but haven't heard nothing from there supporters on here lately....maybe lane 1 folds who knows what the future holds...sound off let me here your opinions on here...
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Re: seismic,lord field,motiv
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2013, 07:43:18 AM »
Motiv is established and picking up a lot of steam, they aren't going anywhere.  Lord Field I don't think will get past where they're at unless their marketing improves quite a bit, ugly colors and mediocre names at best don't sell balls whether the performance is good or not, and the group that just pays attention to performance is pretty small.  Seismic depends on another company for their coverstocks, and I've heard 900 Global isn't doing that great. 
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2013, 07:56:17 AM »
Have to agree on Motiv sticking around. I wasn't a fan of their early stuff but they've got some high quality stuff out now that give me some great reactions. Not only that but the neomark graphics make them unique looking. That'll do nothing but help.

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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2013, 08:23:03 AM »
Lord Field has Chinese backing so I can see them sticking around for awhile.  Their equipment seems to hold up very very well, durability wise.  Motiv is a made in the USA brand with excellent backing and a huge following.  Taking the leap to go full registration on tour and having a great young PBA staff will raise their presence I'm sure.  Seismic has been around for awhile now.  I've been out of the game for about 4-5 years now so I'm not sure what their pro shop presence is like nationwide, but if 900 Global is still pouring their stuff, then I'm sure they will be around for a few more years to come at least (barring another huge decline in bowling).

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Re: seismic,lord field,motiv
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2013, 08:27:57 AM »
+1 with Gizmo. Motiv has done an incredible job of marketing, customer service, and performance of equipment. I have seen Seismic gain headway with their releases but with 1/4" thick covers, I see them going the same route as AMF/Global. Great for a few months but then oil soaks in and either they roll out or crack. (Speaking from experience with my own amf/global equipment and working in the shop). I have not been impressed with the Venator, however, I do like Epicenter and Dominion.
 
I have seen 3 Lord Field balls in person, one was due to cracking, and two in someones hands. They had a good look but they weren't anything spectacular. Then a few weeks later, they stopped throwing them and I haven't seen them since. This, in no way, is me saying their balls are not good but I'm just thinking in the sense of a pro shop owner, what's the incentive? What can I say about LF to sell to my customers? What makes their High Performance Piece as good or better than Radical, DV8, Storm/Roto, etc. What midpoint ball is going to de-throne the Hyroad Pearl, Deranged, Torrid Affair, etc? What Low End is going to be more of a "bang for your buck" than the Wrecker, 300C Solid, etc... These are questions that need to be addressed and advertised before I can honestly tell a customer this ball is going to be better than what you know and see everyday.
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Re: seismic,lord field,motiv
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2013, 08:33:59 AM »
seen couple motiv pieces last year where i bowled...three years ago seen one person throwing strictly lane one had pink panther ball,other lane 1 pieces..could forget the pepto pink ball....that's it three years 1 person with lane one...no seismic, or lordfield...lordfield/lanemasters...come out with lot of product lately...also they dint produce sequels...judgement ball seem to be quite a hit in here why not expand on that make hybrid,or solid,or a pearl version..and call it judgement day or something along those lines...like the big boys do..even motiv has sequels...cruel intent got me intrested....just saying lordfield seems are just producing and pushing lot of product out to fast...need to slow down think about what there doing...lane 1 if they try a different core all toghter i might try a new ball from them....they been riding the same train for so long I'm surprised they are still in business....
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2013, 10:34:13 AM »
I beleive Gunny measured the cover thickness on his stuff and found it was the same as Storm.

also, I had a Solaris Requiem that had well in excess of 100 games on it that still hooked like it was brand new. My Blackout has 200 games on it with no loss of power. Both of those balls came BEFORE I was on staff.



+1 with Gizmo. Motiv has done an incredible job of marketing, customer service, and performance of equipment. I have seen Seismic gain headway with their releases but with 1/4" thick covers, I see them going the same route as AMF/Global. Great for a few months but then oil soaks in and either they roll out or crack. (Speaking from experience with my own amf/global equipment and working in the shop). I have not been impressed with the Venator, however, I do like Epicenter and Dominion.
 
I have seen 3 Lord Field balls in person, one was due to cracking, and two in someones hands. They had a good look but they weren't anything spectacular. Then a few weeks later, they stopped throwing them and I haven't seen them since. This, in no way, is me saying their balls are not good but I'm just thinking in the sense of a pro shop owner, what's the incentive? What can I say about LF to sell to my customers? What makes their High Performance Piece as good or better than Radical, DV8, Storm/Roto, etc. What midpoint ball is going to de-throne the Hyroad Pearl, Deranged, Torrid Affair, etc? What Low End is going to be more of a "bang for your buck" than the Wrecker, 300C Solid, etc... These are questions that need to be addressed and advertised before I can honestly tell a customer this ball is going to be better than what you know and see everyday.
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Re: seismic,lord field,motiv
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2013, 10:37:22 AM »
+1 with Gizmo. Motiv has done an incredible job of marketing, customer service, and performance of equipment. I have seen Seismic gain headway with their releases but with 1/4" thick covers, I see them going the same route as AMF/Global. Great for a few months but then oil soaks in and either they roll out or crack. (Speaking from experience with my own amf/global equipment and working in the shop). I have not been impressed with the Venator, however, I do like Epicenter and Dominion.
 
I have seen 3 Lord Field balls in person, one was due to cracking, and two in someones hands. They had a good look but they weren't anything spectacular. Then a few weeks later, they stopped throwing them and I haven't seen them since. This, in no way, is me saying their balls are not good but I'm just thinking in the sense of a pro shop owner, what's the incentive? What can I say about LF to sell to my customers? What makes their High Performance Piece as good or better than Radical, DV8, Storm/Roto, etc. What midpoint ball is going to de-throne the Hyroad Pearl, Deranged, Torrid Affair, etc? What Low End is going to be more of a "bang for your buck" than the Wrecker, 300C Solid, etc... These are questions that need to be addressed and advertised before I can honestly tell a customer this ball is going to be better than what you know and see everyday.

Good post and about sums up what I feel also. 
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Re: seismic,lord field,motiv
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2013, 11:05:11 AM »
Heres what i see:

One company is pretty much doing everything right.
One has a big $ stream and believes in their people...LOTS of staff.
One I just cant figure out.
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Re: seismic,lord field,motiv
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2013, 11:08:04 AM »
As far as Seismic, after I read all of the the "thickness of cover" concerns, I went and measure my Blackout, Dominion, Venator and Platinum, all three were slightly under 1/2 inch and I mean slightly. I also measure my Nomad, Defiant Soul and Nano. The Nano was at 1/2 exactly and the others were slightly under. So I don't see Seismic having those issues. My Blackout has at least 150 games on it and it performs as new. Ive been incredibly impressed with the Seismic equipment, yes the Venator is condition specific for me, but all of the others I have owned have been absolutely some of the best I have ever thrown. The Blackout is in the top two!! The Platinum is also climbing the list quickly.
I am not on any staff, I dont know much about LF, but I can say that if Seismic continues and markets the balls better they will make it and grow!

Motiv has a great following and some great stuff and will continue to grow. Their new releases are excellent!
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Re: seismic,lord field,motiv
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2013, 11:39:22 AM »
I beleive Gunny measured the cover thickness on his stuff and found it was the same as Storm.

also, I had a Solaris Requiem that had well in excess of 100 games on it that still hooked like it was brand new. My Blackout has 200 games on it with no loss of power. Both of those balls came BEFORE I was on staff.



+1 with Gizmo. Motiv has done an incredible job of marketing, customer service, and performance of equipment. I have seen Seismic gain headway with their releases but with 1/4" thick covers, I see them going the same route as AMF/Global. Great for a few months but then oil soaks in and either they roll out or crack. (Speaking from experience with my own amf/global equipment and working in the shop). I have not been impressed with the Venator, however, I do like Epicenter and Dominion.
 
I have seen 3 Lord Field balls in person, one was due to cracking, and two in someones hands. They had a good look but they weren't anything spectacular. Then a few weeks later, they stopped throwing them and I haven't seen them since. This, in no way, is me saying their balls are not good but I'm just thinking in the sense of a pro shop owner, what's the incentive? What can I say about LF to sell to my customers? What makes their High Performance Piece as good or better than Radical, DV8, Storm/Roto, etc. What midpoint ball is going to de-throne the Hyroad Pearl, Deranged, Torrid Affair, etc? What Low End is going to be more of a "bang for your buck" than the Wrecker, 300C Solid, etc... These are questions that need to be addressed and advertised before I can honestly tell a customer this ball is going to be better than what you know and see everyday.

I can only go by what I've experienced through AMF/Global. I've loved a lot of the AMF/Global including some of the new releases, but have had to replace multiples and repair cracking in almost all of my AMF/Globals and done so in some of the equipment I've drilled for others. I've not had many people run throught the shop with Seismic so the only things I can report on is what I see on the lanes. I've been impressed with most of their releases but notice through weight holes that they share the same common shell thickness. I hope they do not share the same common traits as I love trying new companies on the lanes. Storm has gotten cheap in some of their high performance pieces, However, I've never drilled any Storm or Roto with 1/4" shell. That's not to say they don't exist but I've never drilled one.
I have really stopped throwing Motiv's for fear of their logo separations that I've noticed in almost all my Motiv balls over time. They make some great equipment for guys like me who need the ball to start up and roll heavy. However, I'm not going to wait for the logo to crack out (hopefully within a year) for them to honor the warranty and replace it.

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Re: seismic,lord field,motiv
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2013, 11:48:36 AM »
Just to make a correction, Motiv is currently PBA registered.  Staffer Jake Peters won the PBA Badger Open this past summer.

The main issue with any start-up is exposure.  Print media is going away (BTM) so what other traditional methods can companies use to get the bowler's attention?  There is Facebook, but you have to already either like the company or know someone who does to get videos and marketing material.  Internet via sites like this including YouTube, but if you don't know what you are looking for you will never find new up-and-coming companies.

The best way to introduce new companies is for pro-shops to carry them.  The pro-shop is the largest influence to the customer's choice of a bowling ball.  And when you have so many of the pro-shops mainly focused on one brand, you lose the chance to have new products introduced.  One of my hobbies is brewing beer and I really like craft brew.  But since the distributors in our state have such power, up and coming breweries can't even get shelf space to show off their product because of the big brewers dominating the cooler.  Such is the predicament when the seller is in cahoots with one producer.

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Re: seismic,lord field,motiv
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2013, 03:02:52 PM »
I measured my cover thickness from both of my Long Horns to the cover thickness of my fiancée s Defiant Soul they are almost identical.



As far as Seismic, after I read all of the the "thickness of cover" concerns, I went and measure my Blackout, Dominion, Venator and Platinum, all three were slightly under 1/2 inch and I mean slightly. I also measure my Nomad, Defiant Soul and Nano. The Nano was at 1/2 exactly and the others were slightly under. So I don't see Seismic having those issues. My Blackout has at least 150 games on it and it performs as new. Ive been incredibly impressed with the Seismic equipment, yes the Venator is condition specific for me, but all of the others I have owned have been absolutely some of the best I have ever thrown. The Blackout is in the top two!! The Platinum is also climbing the list quickly.
I am not on any staff, I dont know much about LF, but I can say that if Seismic continues and markets the balls better they will make it and grow!

Motiv has a great following and some great stuff and will continue to grow. Their new releases are excellent!

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Re: seismic,lord field,motiv
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2013, 04:06:15 PM »
No big cracking issues or dying issues by any Seismic ball that I have thrown or sold.  In four or five years of throwing Seismic and representing Seismic.  I've had more balls crack and replaced from other name brands, than I've had Seismic.  Doesn't mean it was because of shell thickness(which Seismic is comparable to other top brands), or that one cover is better than the other in my opinion, because I am more practical, and understand that sometimes shit happens.  The majority of the time cracking is caused by too much glue, dull bit, or drilled too fast.  And all that can happen on any manufacturers ball.

Balls crack for many reasons, sometimes for no rhyme or reason or how, when and why.  I've had a Storm and Brunswick ball crack while drilling, does it mean they suck?  In my opinion no.  Shit happens when things are mass produced, it's part of the process and a part of life.  Does it suck that it happens?  Sure it does, that's why companies have good or bad customer service.  We've all had bad luck with a product in some way, shape or form.  Whether it be from a bowling ball or smart phones.  And we all know there's always problems with smart phones.

As far as performance issues, every bit as good as the other guys.  They take surface adjustments well, and cover the whole hooking spectrum from short patterns to long ones.  Work very well on your house shots, and excellent on the sport patterns.  Very comparable to top brands.

As for longevity, I have almost 400 games on my Blackout.  It's my second one, my first had over 500 games on it.  My Aftermath, has almost 400 games on it, 75% of those games are from tournaments.  Has been resurfaced numerous times, as a matter of fact it was just resurfaced yesterday, as I have a tournament this weekend.  I've had the Aftermath at many different surfaces, from extreme dull, to highly polished and it still performs the same.  Same with my other Seismic equipment, as I feel surface plays the best role in ball motion.  I always change the surface of a ball to fine tune the motion I want to see out of it.  Again, very comparable to top brands in this category.

Dying issues, or balls not performing are more often the case of using the wrong ball for the wrong reasons.  You know, "get the strongest ball out and try to throw it on a house shot type of reasons."  Or wrong layouts because the shop operator didn't bother to fulfill his duty of getting bowlers specs and putting the proper layout on the correct ball.  As far as myself, I haven't had any issues with Seismic balls "dying" after prolong use.  On par with other top brands.

Now whether these smaller companies will survive the long run or not, solely depends on how the company and representatives take care of their customer base.  Yes, the product has to perform as "advertised", and appeal to the bowlers, but the strength is from the foundation of the company and the people behind it.  In my opinion, and from talks with Ryan Press, Seismic is doing pretty darn good.


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Re: seismic,lord field,motiv
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2013, 01:10:07 AM »
Well just for shits and giggles i decided to measure some of my equipment. I measured a 900 global protocol.,  missing link and look. Also an Amf incinerate , roto grip shatter, brunswick revolver and a hammer cobalt vibe.  All shells were right on the 1/2 inch mark even 900 global/amf. Dont know where people are seeing 1/4 shells on global/amf equipment but it must be the older stuff cause it aint on mine. No cracks or defects on any balls.