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Setting a lineup 5 man team ...
« on: November 15, 2010, 02:16:25 AM »
Question,
We are not taling a mixed league, or fun league, but a pretty competitive handicap league, what is the best way to set a your lineup, so it be as easy as by average in ascending order, or is there a science in the best way to optimize you chance of winning. It is a 90% of 210 handicap league. just want to hear some of the better teams thoughts. We pulled cards at the beginning of they year, now, we have settled in with our averages, and I dont think this is right to start the second third, I believe it should be with averages and other factors in mind.
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Re: Setting a lineup 5 man team ...
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2010, 12:39:56 PM »
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One other thing is the lead off bowler should be the one best at reading the lanes and getting lined up. So those following can follow his lead and find the shot faster and have advance info on the how the lanes are changing.
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so a lefty, likely, shouldn't be lead off?
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Re: Setting a lineup 5 man team ...
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2010, 12:55:26 PM »
I think after reading this that people way overthink a league lineup.  It's about fun and being comfortable.  3 years ago I bowled on a team where we changed our lineup on a regular basis to have fun with the other team and changed our names to be stupid....we won the league.
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Re: Setting a lineup 5 man team ...
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2010, 02:11:41 PM »
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so a lefty, likely, shouldn''t be lead off?
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The lefty could bowl first.
Then If the majority of the team is righthanded, Then The first of the righthanders would (the lane reader) bowl after him.
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Re: Setting a lineup 5 man team ...
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2010, 02:18:08 PM »
Here's some food for thought. In the mid to late 1950's the Budweisers of St. Louis were the best team in the world. Don Carter was the best player in the world and he was leadoff man for that team. Dick Weber was the anchorman.

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Re: Setting a lineup 5 man team ...
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2010, 03:35:04 PM »
First,every person on the team must understand,stick to,and support team goals.If
one person is out for themselves,then that person should sit,or not join the team.

 Second,all team members must share team goals.

 Third,the collective energy of the team.A great team will have a mix of abilities.The team
must interact well in a way,that will let each teammates strength shine.
 The team is the sum of all five bowlers.The interaction of the five bowlers their goals effort,
their mindset  not let their teammates down,make the team a cohesive unit.

 You have to consider the skill positions.The lead- off bowler,bowler number four,and the
anchor are the star bowlers with bowlers two and three  slots in the supporting roles.

 The anchor bowler is the one player who you want to make the shot when you need only
one strike for a win.The anchor may not be the best bowler on the team,and may be the
lowest average bowler on the team.But what is important is having a anchor bowler that
responds well to pressure.If the lowest average bowler has no fear,and can strike in clutch
situations and your highest average bowler chocks under pressure.You go with Joe Cool.

 The next spot is the fourth spot.The number four bowler is the bowler that in most games
strikes out in the tenth frame.This is where you want your highest average bowler.If the
team gets to the fourth bowler,and are still in position to win,you need someone to
put pressure on the other team.This also puts the game in the anchor bowlers hands.

 Next should be the lead-off spot.This is where you want your mos consistent bowler.This
bowler sets the table for everyone else.They keep the ball in play,they get their share of
strikes,but most important they make their spares and fill all the frames.

 The second and third bowlers are usually the lowest average bowlers or the bowlers
with the least experience.Usually the second spot is the second lowest average,and
the third spot goes to the lowest average bowler.


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Re: Setting a lineup 5 man team ...
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2010, 04:05:35 PM »
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Wow you beat me to post this topic my team is having a tough season we are average wise 6th strongest out of 18 teams but we are in 2nd last this season anyways any suggestions please? I will post a lineup of my team with a b c d e as bowlers
1st A Picks up most spares but not too many strikes 181
2nd B Most inconsistent in the team 182
3rd C most versatile 205
4th D good with the fresh but as soon as the lanes start breaking down starts getting lost 190
5th E great with oily lanes and only struggles with dry 203
can someone please guide me as how to lineus up please?


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A
E
C

You hinted at what your team''s problem might be.  Two of your bowlers struggle with breakdown.  If they can''t strike in the third game it doesn''t matter where they are in the lineup.

On to the topic...I agree you want your 2 horses at the bottom.  Other than that people just need to be comfortable.
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I''d do the other three by age.  The old guys tend to fade by the end of the 3rd
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Re: Setting a lineup 5 man team ...
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2010, 04:05:36 PM »
Opinions vary on this.

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If there are no individual points on the line then a lineup doesn't matter in the least.
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Re: Setting a lineup 5 man team ...
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2010, 06:41:27 AM »
first post nails it!

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Re: Setting a lineup 5 man team ...
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2010, 07:00:16 AM »
CRD posted a "tried and true" formula.
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Re: Setting a lineup 5 man team ...
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2010, 09:50:35 PM »
This is too funny

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Re: Setting a lineup 5 man team ...
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2010, 11:52:26 AM »
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my belief is your best bowler should be anchor and your second best at lead off. that way you get someone to get your team going and someone to close out games.
 


Be it five, four or three man teams, this was the best answer posted. At least in the scratch league world, 90% of teams put their best bowler in the anchor position. You want the bowler who can best deal with the pressure of pulling out a close game in the 10th. That means ice water veins for converting a 'make or break' spare, or punching out if that is what's necessary.

Without splitting hairs, that's usually the highest average bowler on the team.

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Re: Setting a lineup 5 man team ...
« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2010, 02:34:56 PM »
I completely agree with Steven.  You want the best two bowlers on your team in the lead off and anchor spots.  One to set a good tone for the team and the other to close it out when needed.  The anchor can even be the lesser avg one of the two, as the anchor needs to be the one that can handle the pressure and come up big when the game is on the line.  they have to be the one that when it comes down to the last frame you can confidently say he has got this.

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Re: Setting a lineup 5 man team ...
« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2010, 07:03:05 PM »
This really throws me .. if you are not getting points for BEATING YOUR OPPONENT (same position on the opponents line-up) what difference the position you are in? Are we saying these high scoring bowlers don't recognize a TIGHT GAME until the LAST PERSON in a line up? Every time a bowler picks up a bowling ball it's my feeling that he's TRYING HIS BEST!
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Re: Setting a lineup 5 man team ...
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2010, 08:10:11 PM »
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This really throws me .. if you are not getting points for BEATING YOUR OPPONENT (same position on the opponents line-up) what difference the position you are in? Are we saying these high scoring bowlers don't recognize a TIGHT GAME until the LAST PERSON in a line up? Every time a bowler picks up a bowling ball it's my feeling that he's TRYING HIS BEST!


Last quarter roll off. We were tied for first. Won the first game. Lost the second (total pin count). We were down 12 pins going into the tenth frame. Our anchor man rung a ten pin in the ninth and was on a spare going into the tenth.

There anchor could have struck out and shut us out. He did not. He went 8/ split (something like that). Our anchor man struck the first two in the tenth. We won the quarter and I am now on vacation from our this league untill the last quarter. (Due to time restrictions.)

Now, the difference was that our anchor man is as clutch as they come. He talks plenty of trash and everybody knows it. But when it is 4th and inches, he is money in the bank-period.

The anchor on the other team knew that he had to finish strong or that our guy was going to pull it out for us. That added pressure was enough to make the guy choke.

Our team lines up with the second most clutch bowler first and the most clutch anchor. We put our second best average 4th and the lowest bowler third.
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Re: Setting a lineup 5 man team ...
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2010, 08:38:36 PM »
cc I understand your point .. but if you had the weakest man in the LAST POSITION and the HEAVY HITTER in the 2nd position .. wouldn't you expect the results to be the same? Only difference is that the scores would be in different slots!

 
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