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carlos

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Seven/Ten
« on: September 03, 2015, 11:29:30 AM »
I left three 7/10's last night. What am I doing wrong ? They appeared to be in the pocket, but I know something isn't right. Games were 219 one pocket split, 258 clean, 161 two pocket spilts. Thanks for positive input.
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Re: Seven/Ten
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2015, 11:36:28 AM »
Ball is coming in behind the head pin or has no energy, so besides leaving flat (10 - for righties, 7 for lefties)...unfortunately leaving both. Rarely see the through the nose 7-10 anymore with today's strong equipment, I only see that one with straight balls/players.
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Re: Seven/Ten
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2015, 11:38:02 AM »
like mentioned above the ball is coming in slightly behind the head pin. I would check to see how the 10 pin fell and adjust from there. Mostly just bad breaks though
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Re: Seven/Ten
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2015, 12:24:00 PM »
Unfortunately as a lower speed bowler I see this a lot. It usually happens when I'm playing deeper lines and I miss slightly to the outside. The ball recovers to hit the pocket but just has nothing left when it gets there.

I try to keep an eye for these being tripped out at the last minute or standing longer than they should. If I see that it's time to ball down and try and straighten out the angles for me.
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Re: Seven/Ten
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2015, 11:56:08 AM »
7-10 results from a ball that has lost its rotational energy but still has a steep entry angle.  Lower rev guys with slower ball speed are most prone to it, although it can happen to anyone on medium length patterns with fresh back ends with a bit of carrydown.  Best cure is to try to find a ball that will let you square up a bit more.
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Re: Seven/Ten
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2015, 03:31:36 PM »
Try getting your arm swing where it follows your head.  You should have your shoulders and head tilted just slightly where your head will be right over the ball on the very bottom of your swing.  Then by just swinging in line with your head until you get to the very top of your follow through, you will gain more leverage and hit the pins harder.
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Re: Seven/Ten
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2015, 03:34:34 PM »
Now if that doesn't work and it's still going on, now you have to find out is the ball rolling out or is it not picking up.  However, I bet swinging under, behind, and back under your head will solve the problem.

Sometimes I've had to crouch down more to slow the ball down.  Sometimes I needed to stand taller and get more of a push away to get the speed up.
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carlos

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Re: Seven/Ten
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2015, 04:44:57 PM »
I'm going to digest all the feedback and try them in my practice sessions. Thanks for all the help
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Re: Seven/Ten
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2015, 12:40:35 PM »
Just remember that in the modern game you can minimize 7-10 , but not eliminate them.
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Re: Seven/Ten
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2015, 11:56:19 PM »
Quote from: Joker-1 on September 03, 2015, 11:38:02 AM
like mentioned above the ball is coming in slightly behind the head pin. I would check to see how the 10 pin fell and adjust from there. Mostly just bad breaks though

As per above, not enough info to give an accurate diagnosis,  depending upon if they are soft corner pins or wraps (up and around the necks of the pins)

If soft, try decreasing entry angle and catching more oil (get the ball energy to the pocket).  Or if you are able, come more up the back of the ball.

If wraps, take some hand out of the ball...

If you have a knowledgeable pro shop guy or coach, get them to have a look at your gear, sometimes a different drilling will solve the problem, but I would only resort to a re-drill if it is your home centre and you bowl the majority of your leagues and comps there...
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Re: Seven/Ten
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2015, 02:23:43 PM »
pocket 7-10 is always a weak 10.   Most of you aren't old enough to remember the rubber ball days, but back then it was the 5-7 not the 7-10.  With greater entry angle achieved today the ball gets the 5, but not hard enough to hit the 7, while there is still too much deflection, leaving a soft 10.
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Re: Seven/Ten
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2015, 03:13:47 PM »
Once in a while I'll leave a 5-7.  At the really easy houses I don't.  I bowl at an independently owned house that looks like a Brunswick Zone.  Most often it's a 2-10, but once in a while I'll leave a 5-7.  I pick that one up more often than not though.

I would say I'm a power tweener.
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Re: Seven/Ten
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2015, 03:26:25 PM »
In the rubber ball days the 5-7 was very common for all of us on fresh oil.  Not so much as soon as the track opened up.  The 7-10 was so uncommon that we laughed about it on the very rare occasions that we left it.  Today the 7-10 is most common after you get a bit of carrydown on a fresh strip, medium length pattern.   Even the high rev guys on tour leave them on the high volume patterns when they get some carrydown, but still have to play in   
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Re: Seven/Ten
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2015, 12:45:28 PM »
When we REALLY laughed was when someone hit light and left the lily (5 - 7 - 10).  --  JohnP
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Re: Seven/Ten
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2015, 12:55:16 PM »
For some reason the 5-7-10 was much more common in AMF houses than Brunswick.  We use to have a pair in my house where someone would leave one almost every week.  Seldom if ever saw one on any other pair. 
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